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It's National Grilled Cheese Day. There's an abundance of great photos and recipes everywhere.

On TV, The Late Late Show seems to be on vacation again this week, it's all repeats. I'm still watching Viceland, alternating with HGTV's Tiny House Hunters. You can watch 5 episodes online here. Who would choose to live in such small spaces? Millennials, mostly it seems. It's apparently now a movement. What an odd generation.[More...]

I'm not much into home design, and I think renovating a house is about as appealing as going to the dentist, but I got taken in by another of HGTV's show, Masters of Flip (trailer here.) It is a project of Corus Entertainment and the Canadian "W" network, where it is featured much more prominently. Corus just made a deal for the show to be seen all over Asia, Norway, and Australia. Anyway,the appeal of show to me is not the structural renovations, or even the show hosts, a married couple from Nashville who intended to be music stars but changed gears, but the "stager," who during the last five minutes of the episodes I saw, brings in furniture, bedding, lighting, art, and every other kind of furnishing imaginable to make the place sell really fast and for a premium price. (The link is to a gallery of photos from one house, before and after. You can click through them to see what I mean.)

These are really ugly duckling houses, and while the structural renovations can only do so much, the new furnishings turn them into Cinderella. They really look like happy homes. I have no idea who the stager is, the show gives her like five seconds of airtime, but she is really talented. I would think it would take months to assemble all the stuff she puts in a single house, but apparently, she does it in a few days. Whoever she is, she should have her own show.

Also, since the places are just being "staged" to sell the house faster and for more money, I wonder where the stuff goes afterwards. There should be an online index of where you can buy each item.

This is an open thread, all topics, TV and otherwise, welcome.

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    I have to (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:33:21 AM EST
    stay off HGTV as I start getting too many ideas. I haven't watched the tiny houses show but I do like Property Brothers.

    tiny vacation houses (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by pitachips on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:46:25 AM EST
    Make a lot of sense to me. You can buy yourself a nice plot of land relatively cheap and just park. I always wish they would do a followup after a year or so with some of the people who end up on these tiny home shows. I imagine a not insignificant percentage go back to more "traditional" sized housing.

    are tiny houses (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CST on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:55:52 AM EST
    really that different from apartments?

    Lots of people live in apartments.  Maybe this is just a less urban version of that.

    I dunno how small I'd go but there is something cathartic about downsizing my "stuff" when I move.

    I agree about the catharsis (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:59:37 AM EST
    Ever since my last move I have been going regular downsizing efforts,  and it does feel good! I am due for another soon.

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    I shed my kipple... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 01:01:11 PM EST
    at least once a year, if I haven't used it/wore it/needed it since the last downsizing I give it away/toss it.  Only exceptions are books and records/cds...I might give those away and pay it forward, but I'd never toss 'em.

    And the smaller the house, the less to clean...I could totally get down with a one room shack if I lived alone.

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    same here (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CST on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 01:33:15 PM EST
    Although I finally went digital for all new media,  because frankly, I already have too many books/CDs/movies/photos etc... and I can't bring myself to get rid of any of them.  But after moving the last time I decided at least I'd stop increasing the physical space they take up.

    Clothes, once a year everything that I didn't wear goes to good will or another donation bin, with the occasional "fancy clothes" exception.

    I used to have a bunch of boxes of "history" that I had a hard time parting with, so I finally gave myself one trunk that I can keep my past in.  It forced me to make decisions about the things I really care about vs. dead weight.

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    Yes, the hardest thing to get rid (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 01:57:55 PM EST
    of was the file boxes of old school records, letters, cards, etc. I kept a few letters, but parted with the ones I was just hanging on to because I never threw anything away.

    I have all my CDs ripped to digital, but I still can't bring myself to get rid of the physical media, or even store them off in a box in the garage. I like seeing them in the racks and knowing I can pull one out and play it if I want. New ones I buy mostly digital, but for example the Bonnie Raitt CD we were talking about the other day...I have all her other ones on CD...it seems wrong to buy the rest on digital. But that seems stupid too.

    I'll never cure my book problem, I have given up.

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    for my music (none / 0) (#23)
    by CST on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 02:35:29 PM EST
    I burned it all digitally but I also didn't want to toss the originals.  What I ended up doing was stacking all the CDs themselves in one of those racks that only has the discs and none of the packaging (like what you used to buy blank cds in).  I saved the album covers in another place, am thinking about making some kind of formal installation/artwork with them.  Then I got rid of all the plastic casings.  It's amazing how much less space they take up now just with that piece gone.

    Books... I had to get a kindle.  I didn't want to, but they are just such a pain in the @ss to move and take up so much space.  I still have what I have, that's not going anywhere, but at least now it's capped at that level.

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    I have my first digital books (none / 0) (#116)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 04:02:09 PM EST
    I never thought I would get there. But was away from all sources and wanted to read something particular. Bought it, read it on my smart phone, survived.

    Josh writes school papers on his phone while running errands with me, emails them to himself, puts them into the computer office program when he gets home, prints them...done. Mostly on the road. I would have never foresaw any of that homework business.

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    these are tiny (none / 0) (#63)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:09:39 AM EST
    in the range of 150 to 350 square feet total.
    Many are mobile that can be driven around on the back of a truck or RV and plopped anywhere.

    Many have no plumbing and compost toilets. Some have no stoves. There's very little storage, what litte there is is usually built into the stairs.

    The stairs are to a loft that usually isn't tall enough for a person to stand up in (that's where people put a mattress.)

    The rooms are smaller than some jail cells. What is really amazing is that some of these people talk about working from home. I can't imagine spending an hour in one, let alone a whole day and night.

    Each episode features the prospective buyer being shown two or three tiny homes, each of which lacks something they want, but they end up choosing one. Many of the buyers are married with pets. The stairs to the loft are a big deal -- apparently dogs don't do ladders well, but they can do stairs, and stairs cost a lot more money. (So not only are you sleeping in a loft with four inches clearing above your head where you can't stand up, but your spouse and a dog are with you. It seems like a bad joke, but it's for real.

    Some of the episodes have the buyers having to decide what to take with them. Some only can take about what fits into a carry on size suitcase.

    Why do people do this? They can buy a house, with land, for under $100k (some for $50 to $50k, including land and transport fees.) Which means no mortgage, no debt and ability to do more activities. Seems backwards to me. The place you spend the most time is your house. Why wouldn't you want that to be as comfortable as possible? Maybe it's easy for me to say this, having traveled extensively, but I think traveling the world is very over-rated.

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    These things are often used as hunting cabins (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:42:16 AM EST
    Around here.  My family has one.  It's very deep in the woods.  I love it.  I don't hunt but sometimes go up there just for fun.  It has water and a bathroom.  But the water is hand pumped.  It has a generator.

    I quite like it but I'm not sure I could live in it unless I had to.  

    To much junk.  My collections are dear to me.

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    Sounds like an alternative to a tent (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:48:16 AM EST
    for a camping trip, and that's about it.


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    I am curious so just discovered (none / 0) (#78)
    by Cashmere on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:58:37 AM EST
    I can watch on Demand.  Will have to check this out!

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    Totally Portlandia! (none / 0) (#79)
    by Cashmere on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:59:42 AM EST
    Totally Portlandia!  I think Portlandia did an episode focusing on these.

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    Zuckerberg vs Trump (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CST on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 03:06:54 PM EST
    Honestly, who cares, but I read the article and couldn't help but notice this gem of a comment from "Trump spokeswoman Katrina Pierson":

    "The CEOs in Silicon Valley should focus on innovation and jobs and their businesses and let the politicians make their policies"

    I wonder if she has even a hint of self-awareness.

    I always want to redo my whole house after I watch (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:58:03 AM EST
    those shows. I bet that stager has a warehouse full of all that furniture and accessories that she re-uses for the various jobs. It can all look totally different mixed differently in another house.

    I don't watch the show about the tiny houses, but the pictures of them I have seen all show them out in the middle of nowhere in some beautiful location. Is that the way they are on the shows? I suspect the reality is that if that trend ever took off the houses would all be stacked up right next to each other someplace a lot less bucolic. You may as well live in an apartment or a trailer park. I can see going tiny is my retirement, in a tricked out mobile home I can travel in, but I'll save the real downsizing in a fixed  spot for my final home. I can't part with my books and other stuff yet. Eventually I'll have to get more enlightened.

    My Tuesday TV felt empty without 'The People vs OJ'. That series was so well done. Never did get used to Cuba Gooding Jr as OJ, but the rest of it was pretty near perfect. There will be Emmys.

    Ooohhh ... (none / 0) (#3)
    by Nemi on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:04:01 AM EST
    that tingling feeling yet again.

    The only thing remotely 'funny' about that otherwise embarrassing exchange is that Chris Matthews isn't sarcastic! While Jeff Weaver, sounding like a broken record, doesn't sense that and is.

    Deal with the devil ??? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:34:15 AM EST
    a campaign of ideas? My butt.

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    Matthews thinks Hillarys (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:12:25 PM EST
    running mate should be Joe Manchin.   His erogenous zones are suspect.

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    Since I screwed up (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:35:34 AM EST
    And placed the Orphan Black comment in the wrong thread to be deleted I'm repeating myself

    7 Reasons Orphan Black Is The Best Show You Are Not Watching

    New season starts Thursday on BBC

    (I still think Banshee is probably the best show you are not watching but OB is definitely #2)

    I saw an interview with the Canadian actress (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:57:25 AM EST
    Fascinating person. Too busy for Orphan Black :(

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    Since she plays a dozen different characters (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:12:46 AM EST
    Some people seem to think it's a version of that terrible Eddie Murphy movie.  It's not.  She is amazing.  You seriously forget the same actor is playing all the main roles.

    I love the show but I look forward to seeing what else she can do.   Clearly she can't do more than this show as long as it's on since she is 2/3s of the cast.  Which is large.

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    She spoke about how they do scenes when (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:14:41 AM EST
    There are more than one of her in the frame, serious camera trickery involved.

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    I do have a hole in my TV schedule.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 10:07:33 AM EST
    and you haven't steered me wrong yet. Orphan Black it is!

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    From the beginning (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 11:53:04 AM EST
    Context context context

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    Oh yes, I never jump into the middle! (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 12:56:49 PM EST
    I won't be caught up for this season, obviously! I'll tape them though for when I am ready.

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    The Irish nanny (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:29:06 PM EST
    From Dexter has a great role in this series.

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    Home & Garden channel (none / 0) (#13)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 11:03:52 AM EST
    is my refuge from MSNBC and CNN when there is too much Bernie (i.e., at this point ANY of Bernie pointing, yelling and spitting RNC attacks against Hillary). (And his quietly snotty wife.)

    I love seeing interesting houses of all sizes and and can chill out watching them, so it's my antidote....

    agree, and what really (none / 0) (#64)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:13:58 AM EST
    irks me is when a Sanders ad plays on HGTV or the Food Network -- and they do from time to time. It's like a violation of my "sanctuary".

    I heard an interview with Mrs. Sanders today. She didn't seem snotty, and her voice was very pleasant. What troubled me was she didn't say anything, and I was listening for 10 minutes or so in the car, thinking I'd have something to blog about later. And I can't recall her making a single point. She just talked -- pleasantly, but not saying anything.

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    Jane Sanders has said (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:31:20 AM EST
    a few things of note in the past day or so: (1) The standard NY Daily News interview was like an "inquisition" per Jane. (2) New York having a close primary where only Democrats can vote is "silly" per Jane. (3) We need to "take America back again" per Jane.  Shades of ....  

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    Trump? Shirley, you can't be serious... (2.00 / 1) (#94)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:43:57 AM EST
    Jane is talking about taking our country back from the 1% and special corporate interests...something we'd probably all agree was a good idea 2 years ago, but now is an inconvenient truth.

    Trump is talking about taking a straight white man's country back from the brown people, the women, the homosexuals, the transgender Americans...aka everyday people.  

    Two very very different things.  Opposite things actually.

    And closed primaries are silly...god forbid an American with no party affiliation have a say in who might be on the ballot in November.  That too closely resembles direct democracy, something the Founders didn't trust the common person to do.  And the elites today still don't, at least in NY and nationally via the electoral college.

    As for the NYDN, quit whining Team Sanders. A good interview of a potential world leader should feel like an inquisition, it's only a problem when they don't.


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    Why (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:38:42 PM EST
    should parties let people who want the absolute destruction of the party vote in the primaries? And if you want to vote in a closed primary all you have to do is change your registration.

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    I like the way MA does it (none / 0) (#100)
    by CST on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:50:45 PM EST
    Which is that if you are registered for a party you can only vote in that party's primary.  But if you are registered "undeclared" you can vote in either primary.  So it keeps out the people who are really committed to the other party from voting, but it allows people in the middle to have a say in the process for either side.

    If you want the absolute destruction of the party you could change your registration too, that seems like a pretty weak argument, IMO.

    It's maybe not the biggest issue for me, but having more open primaries is one thing that would move in the direction of having it be a more democratic process.  Along with eliminating caucuses and superdelegates.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 01:00:26 PM EST
    considering all the messing around in primaries we've had this year it's been a mess.

    However if we just eliminate caucuses that would be a great big positive step.

    Well, some of these Bernie supporters have said that they want the destruction of the party. I just think if they had to actually register for a party it would make them messing around less likely. Yeah, registering by party wouldn't get rid of the hardcore anarchists but it would probably get rid of a lot of them that aren't so hard core.

    We have open primaries here in GA and it's never really been a problem. You don't even register by party here. So I don't know why this kind of thing is a problem in some states and not in others.

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    Curious (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by vicndabx on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:22:54 PM EST
    my brain may not be working properly but how does registering as undeclared prevent:

    the people who are really committed to the other party from voting


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    if you are a registered republican (none / 0) (#111)
    by CST on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:50:06 PM EST
    For example, you can't vote in the Democratic primary.  Likewise for Democrats.  If you are an active member of a particular party, you are likely to be registered for that party.

    It's not that registering as undeclared prevents that, it's not allowing a "fully-open" primary that might curtail it a bit (IOW allowing registered Dems to vote Republican and vice versa).

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    oh, but, kdog (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 01:41:32 PM EST
    Shirley, I'm quite serious.  It is the old "ends/means" justification trap that ideologues of all persuasions use.  Masses of people, demagogic patterns of condemnation, and promising the adorers the moon & more.  It Shirley seems more like mooning the audience than anything else.  

    Certainly, I understand the difference in stated ends ... but, the means of the Sanders' campaign has become quite troubling as they sling around the stuff usually associated with last-stands or panic over delegate rules & reality ... a reality that both adults, Sanders & Trump, knew going into the high-stakes political contest entailed by seeking the presidency.  

    I respect your loyalty to your man; and, at the same time, I do not believe that one so quick as yourself is really blinded by the plain-old politics emanating from the Sanders' campaign.  The one thing about the one-time practitioners of techniques that Sanders (aka J. Weaver & T. Devine) appears to be emulating is that they never posed as pure/above-it-all types...think Tricky Dick and beyond.  Sanders may be alright outside the campaign trail; but right now--and in all honesty--his fealty to his limited goals vis-à-vis breaking-up-big-banks and free tuition for all seem to be obscuring anything but rote, loud speeches against "corruption."  If he wants to pursue that approach that is his decision, of course.  People like me may not agree with what looks like classic political overpromising, but that is his right to preach and your right to believe.  HOWEVER ... the turn to name-calling of a particularly ugly nature, of a whistling cue nature when his opponent is the first woman to have reached that political & governmental level ... the accusations of "unqualified" and "whores" have a special ugliness to women of a certain age, in view of the fullness of their meaning over time and in view of the personal gut-insult that they carry with them ...that turn is more than "inappropriate," it is more than misspeaking or anything resembling that.  It is the kind of thing that even Trump might avoid; it stinks.

    BTW, parties have an expected obligation to represent their registered adherents.  Like it or not, that is the system.  Closed political primaries best effect that goal.  

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    Who is asking for the moon? (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:06:50 PM EST
    They have these things in Europe and right next door in Canada.  These goals are less lofty than sending a man to the moon...and we did that sh*t!

    I have no loyalty to the man, he's far from my ideal candidate...I have loyalty to the select ideas the man and I share that no one lese is selling this silly season...of what could be possible if we shoot for the moon...err, shoot for existing democracies of our partners and allies in the Western world.  

    I accept the fact that the parties are under no obligation to be more inclusive and democratic in their selection processes, but I do not respect it.  

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    Actually, kdog, it's now become ... (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:47:28 PM EST
    kdog: "Jane is talking about taking our country back from the 1% and special corporate interests...something we'd probably all agree was a good idea 2 years ago, but now is an inconvenient truth."

    ... an empty rhetorical exercise in ideological self-indulgence, in which proponents seek to mask their political temper tantrum as some sort of "revolution." And unless and until such "revolutionaries" actually get up off their arses, and make personal commitments to become active instruments of change themselves, they're not going to "take back" a single school board or city council -- never mind the entire country.

    Making and sustaining the sort of change you envision takes a lot of time and effort, and as I told you last week, I'm not seeing that sort of commitment from Bernie's folks. And quite honestly, what I'm seeing from that political camp is the worst thing anyone can do in that regard, which is to think that someone else -- e.g., the Sanders campaign's high-priced consultants, Jeff Weaver and Tad Devine -- is going to conduct this so-called "revolution" on behalf of the American proletariat, rather than for their own personal and material benefit.

    Because should Bernie's revolution actually succeed and our country's ruling class be vanquished, one may regretfully discover that the relative handful of activist power brokers who managed to somehow pull off that particular feat have their own respective personal agendas in mind. Those agendas may not necessarily reflect the best interests of those who chose to sit in the bleachers and cheer the spectacle as it unfolded. And that's when revolutionary movements -- even those initially undertaken with the very best of intentions -- can get hijacked and become terribly messy.

    It should be noted that Nicholas II, the Czar of All Russias, was NOT overthrown by Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks in 1917, during the First World War. Rather, he was compelled to abdicate the throne by Alexander Kerensky and the political moderates in the elected Duma, who then proclaimed a Russian republic and pledged to continue the country's war efforts as a member of the Allied cause. For his part, Lenin was then living in comfortable exile at the time in Switzerland.

    Only when it became apparent that Kerensky had failed to consolidate his own control over the country in the immediate wake of the Czar's downfall, did the Imperial German government then agree to facilitate Lenin's return to Russia. Again for his part, Lenin pledged to his German benefactors to immediately cease hostilities and withdraw Russia from the war, once the Bolsheviks had successfully moved to fill the resultant power vacuum in St. Petersburg. At that point, the Russian Revolution quickly got very ugly.

    One year later, Lenin had effectively seized power, signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with Imperial Germany that acknowledged Russia's capitulation and withdrawal from the First World War, and moved the Russian capital to Moscow. Meanwhile, Kerensky had fled the country post haste to his own eventual exile in New York City, along with the remnants of his short-lived republican government.

    And the hapless Nicholas II and his entire family wound up facing the business end of a Bolshevik firing squad in the basement of a nondescript apartment building in Ekatrinberg, as Russia plunged into a bloody, multi-faceted civil war between communists, republicans, royalists, and Allied forces who had intervened militarily in a misguided and ultimately failed attempt to bring about Lenin's own removal.

    All this nonsensical talk of "revolution" in our country is infinitely cheap, kdog -- and what's coming from the lips of Bernie and Jane Sanders has long since become the political equivalent of a K-Mart "Blue Light Special." To quote co-founder Jann Simon Wenner of Rolling Stone magazine, a veteran leftist and political activist who's long served on the front lines of the struggles for change in our country:

    "Every time Sanders is challenged on how he plans to get his agenda through Congress and past the special interests, he responds that the 'political revolution' that sweeps him into office will somehow be the magical instrument of the monumental changes he describes. This is a vague, deeply disingenuous idea that ignores the reality of modern America. With the narrow power base and limited political alliances that Sanders had built in his years as the democratic socialist senator from Vermont, how does he possibly have a chance of fighting such entrenched power? I have been to the revolution before. It ain't happening."

    Aloha.

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    I see your point Don... (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:09:04 PM EST
    I do...but every politician just spews bullsh:t in one form or another. Bernie, as much as I can't help  but like him, is no exception. Don't get me started on high priced consultants! ;)

    My wish for his candidacy to succeed is it increases the chances of the people becoming active instruments of change at the local, state, and federal level. Still a long shot, but the way Bernie Sanders has resonated beyond the wildest dreams of anybody just 8 months ago...it feels like 70-1 instead of 99-1. I mean he's a 76 year frumpy old Jew from Brooklyn, imagine if he was a great orator who looked like George Clooney. The young lady who served me my Sausage Biscuit with Egg this morning might be making 15 dollars already!

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    Masters of Flip (none / 0) (#14)
    by robert72 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 11:50:20 AM EST
    I am a big fan of Masters of Flip.... Kortney and Dave are Canadian, and came to Nashville for music careers and decided to house flip instead. I think they are really fun to watch - not just for what they do but for who they are and their sense of humour. Yes, the tall woman who does the staging is great. On one show there was a bit showing almost like a warehouse of things she had collected - every colour under the sun. If you look carefully as they bring things into the houses, you can see that some items are well used or almost fake - but with the staging touch they all look fabulous.
    I see them on the W network in Canada.

    Real estate flipping has proved ... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 01:59:49 PM EST
    ... to be quite devastating to young local residents here in Hawaii, most particularly on Oahu and Maui, where the average home prices are now well above $700,000 -- and that's for a basic 3BR / 2B, 1,600 sq. ft. house on a 12,000 sq. ft. lot.

    Basically, wealthy investors from the U.S. mainland and Asia have been coming over here and gobbling up everything in sight that's for sale and then speculating. We have thousands of units lying vacant because of this dubious practice. One investor from China recently bought up over 150 homes for sale in our old east Honolulu neighborhood of Kuliouou / Hawaii Kai. Each and every one of those homes is presently sitting empty, and this is going on in the face of thousands of homeless and displaced persons and families.

    As a result, rents are now sky high, and it's more or less driving our children out of the real estate market. Seriously, what 25 year old who's carrying $40,000 in student debt can afford the down payment on a starter 1 BR condo in an otherwise less than desirable Honolulu neighborhood such as lower Makiki, when such units are currently being listed at $290,000 and up -- or pay $1,400 / mo. in rent for the same crummy unit?

    Both Elder Daughter and her husband are 25 years old, are college graduates with decent jobs and incomes. Yet if they weren't living in our old townhouse in east Honolulu, they would likely have to move to Las Vegas or Phoenix if they wanted to buy a home, because they certainly couldn't afford to buy where they currently reside. Nor could they afford to guy in L.A. or the Bay Area, which are facing similar pressures in their own local real estate markets.

    Our most recent assessment from the city and county tax department on our east Honolulu property estimates its current value at $758,000. Given all the improvements we've made, we could probably sell it for close to $900K, if not more. We get regular inquiries from local realtors who want to know if we're interested in selling, because they've already got buyers from Asia lined up if we are. That's how predatory the market has become. 22 years ago, we paid $205,000 for the place -- and even then, my mother thought it way too much. Now, she urges us to hang onto it, because it's the best investment we ever made.

    If I had my way, I'd levy a very hefty real estate transaction tax out here on any sale of residential property which takes place less than 18 months after the prior sale, to the effect that we effectively strip the seller of any realized net profit. That would hopefully curb this onerous and corrosive trend in island real estate.

    Aloha.

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    I know a submariner (none / 0) (#44)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:10:34 PM EST
    who was stationed in Pearl after WWII, a Captain in the Navy.  He bought property on the North Shore and build a home right after the war ended.  He retired there and said he would live there till he died.  Then the Japan's bubble economy in the 1980s happened and someone offered him $US22,000,000 for his home and property.  He moved to Marathon in the Keys and bought a better house for under $US900,000 and kept his Chris White trimaran behind it.

    Not sure how you can stop that type of thing in today's economy.  It use to be you could park cash in stocks, bonds, or other paper and beat inflation.  But now not only is there no interest paid but some countries are imposing negative interest.  Real estate is a safer place to park money, even if it is not in the country you live in.

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    Our local government's first obligation ... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:55:44 PM EST
    ... should be to meet the needs of our own constituents, and not to further facilitate the "get rich quick" schemes of a bunch of wealthy real estate speculators, particularly when such facilitation is clearly counter-intuitive to the public interest.

    We have multiple condominium towers presently being constructed in Honolulu's Kakaako district, most all of which were initially conceived as affordable housing for local residents. Instead, individual units are being bought up en masse before ground is even broken for construction, and 80-90% of those buyers are wealthy investors from outside Hawaii, mostly from Asia.

    Further, Kakaako was once a thriving business district, and an incubator for small businesses and start-ups, and they're all being displaced by all this rush to re-development. There's no place for them to relocate in town, so they either fold or move way out to west Oahu.

    How is any of this of long-term benefit to the local economy? Short answer, it isn't. Our property tax rates are actually some of the lowest in the entire country. So, the general excise tax revenues we'd otherwise receive from now-displaced local businesses in Kakaako are cratering, and any revenue derived from the city and county property tax doesn't even come close to making up for that shortfall.

    I don't think we'll ever be able to stop such corrosive practices altogether. But when realtors and developers so overtly cater to the whims of outsiders at the obvious expense of local well being, we can certainly wield the state and county tax codes as a means to restore some sense of conscience and sanity to the real estate marketplace.

    We have to render such speculative opportunities for wealthy investors a lot less attractive financially than they are at present. That way, we can perhaps offer developers an incentive to redirect their industry's attention back where it belongs right now, which is the construction of much-needed affordable housing for local residents.

    Aloha.

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    While I admire your goals (none / 0) (#61)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 10:49:21 PM EST
    I am not optimistic about implementing them.

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    This would not be fair to people (none / 0) (#128)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:58:58 PM EST
    If I had my way, I'd levy a very hefty real estate transaction tax out here on any sale of residential property which takes place less than 18 months after the prior sale, to the effect that we effectively strip the seller of any realized net profit.

    who may have to move due to jobs/job loss, family obligations, etc., within that time frame. But, I am all for levying a real estate transaction tax on investors/flippers.

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    Of course, we'd make allowances for ... (none / 0) (#134)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 07:41:49 PM EST
    ... those sorts of circumstances and situations. Our goal here is to not put people through a financial wringer when they don't deserve it. Rather, we wish to curtail the practice of flipping houses and condos for undue profit in a confined market such as ours, where inventory is already at a premium in the first place.

    We need to get people to once again envision housing for its original purpose, which is as a means to provide people with a decent home, and stop thinking of it merely as a commodity to be bought and sold repeatedly on the open market without any real consideration for the detrimental effect such practices have had on local resident and families of the surrounding community.

    Further, we want to encourage developers over to build affordable housing for Hawaii residents, and not focus so much on providing high-end product for wealthy vacationers and investors.

    The best way to accomplish all of these objectives is to use the local tax codes to provide incentives for the things we want done, and institute deterrents to curb the stuff we'd like stopped.

    Aloha.

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    My Alma mater (none / 0) (#138)
    by ragebot on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:45:09 PM EST
    FSU offers a joint program awarding a MS in Urban and Regional Planning and a JD.  The idea is to prepare individuals for jobs in local government creating zoning and tax codes that will pass legal muster.  One of the first things I remember hearing from my Methods prof was that while no city has ever created laws/zoning/whatever for slums all cities seem to have them.  Public housing has not had a good history in the US.  In fact some projects in large cities seem to have made things worse.  Earlier I posted that while I understand your goals I am not so sure they are realistic.

    Just what kinda of laws or tax codes do you envision that would result in your goal of affordable housing.

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    thanks Robert (none / 0) (#65)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:16:18 AM EST
    I appreciate your insight on them.

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    I don't care... (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 01:21:31 PM EST
    to watch those hgtv shows.  They make me think about how wretched my own dwelling must look and all the money its going to take to make it look like the houses on tv.  I did watch the Ken Burns doc about Jackie Robinson.  I hadn't realized that he was a Rockefeller republican.  

    Yes, he was. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 02:10:24 PM EST
    But as the Burns film noted, by the end of his life Robinson was almost completely soured on the Republican Party, particularly after Barry Goldwater -- whom he considered a racist bigot -- became the GOP's 1964 presidential nominee. At that point, he started urging African Americans to vote for LBJ.

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    It's been fun this afternoon (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 04:59:54 PM EST
    Watching MSNBC try as hard as they can to make every guest on every show be deeply and personally offended by "CP time"

    Responses range from puzzled to amused to annoyed.

    The Mayors response to Chrus Hayes last night was perfect.

    "It was a joke.  Get over it"


    Well, the Sanders afficionados are (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:14:20 PM EST
    clearly trying as much as possible to make a dent in the substantial advantage that HRC holds among the AA community in the NYC boroughs.  While I may have missed something--even after looking at the skit several times & taking in various takes--the sum total is that the joke wasn't that funny. That's about it ... oh, and it was the mayor's punch-line; but, I guess that Hillary's presence next to him on stage somehow imparts something not right.  Go figure.

    From every survey published in the past week in NY, Hillary Clinton has @2to 1 advantage in the AA community as well as a double-digit lead among resident Hispanics.  BTW, I noticed that Hillary was set to address Al Sharpton's forum group this afternoon ... Have you heard anything on that, Howdy?

    The Sanders' people are going all out in this key race ... witness Jane Sanders referring to the NY Daily News interview with Sanders as an "inquisition" after the NY Daily News gave it's prominent endorsement to HRC this past day. Batten down, hold onto the ankles & all that ... because Sanders is going for broke (understandably, at this point.)

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    Jane's (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:25:36 PM EST
    interview was awful. Asking relevant questions about how you are going to implement your programs has now become and "inquisition". Does she realize that she's screaming that Bernie is not ready to be president with that statement? Put side by side with the questions that were asked Hillary it was pretty much the same questions. I guess you are supposed to have one set of questions for Bernie (ultra easy like what comb do you use) to hard and detailed for Hillary.

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    Jane (none / 0) (#32)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:41:54 PM EST
    is very irritating as well as being as nasty as her husband.

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    "Inquisition"? LOL! (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:09:55 PM EST
    Disco the parakeet makes a better case than Jane.

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    If (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:02:29 AM EST
    the interview was an inquisition, than Gowdy's hearing was the seventh level of hell. Hillary walked out with the Devil's balls Bernie walked out with hurt fee fees, he is proving to be a small and petty man who can not stand up to even modest criticism.

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    Just goes (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:37:52 AM EST
    to show there is no way Bernie would have been able to handle that hearing if he couldn't even handle the NYDN.

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    I believe Al referred to her (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:26:01 PM EST
    As Rev Hillary Clinton.  So I guess it went well.  

    As for the rest.  Meh.  The whole thing is starting to smell.  The last few days MSNBC has been Bernie central because he's, you know, losing.     I really begin to dislike Ms Sanders.   I saw her yesterday insist they have released full tax returns "for several years".


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    Watch out for that nose (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:49:17 PM EST
    Host Mark Halperin: "So, you will release how many years?"

    Jane Sanders: "I don't know. How many do you want, Mark?"

    Halperin: "I think the Clintons have released eight [years] or even more."

    Sanders: "Well they've been in office all these years."

    Halperin: "Senator Sanders has been in the House and Senate -"

    Sanders: "Right, and every election, we've released them."

    Halperin: "You'll release the whole returns, not just a summary?"

    Sanders: "We did when he ran for election. Yeah. So, I'll release this year's as soon as they are due, and can I have time to go home?"

    -exchange, "With All Due Respect" on Bloomberg, April 11, 2016

    Jane Sanders, the wife of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, is the keeper of tax records in the household, according to the candidate. Yet she repeated a claim similar to her husband's recent Four Pinocchio statement that the couple released their full tax returns over several years. (This claim earned the "fact-checkers' trifecta," when the three major fact-checking organizations -- Washington Post Fact Checker, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org -- debunk the same claim.)



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    She also said (4.67 / 3) (#41)
    by Nemi on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:39:30 PM EST
    about releasing the tax returns:

    ... two weks ago people asked - the Clinton campaign or somebody asked - and we said: Of course.

    The insinuation that 'the Clinton campaign' asked for them was unnecessary but I'm sure no coincidence. It adds nicely to her husband's claim, that they are being attacked by the Clinton campaign 'all. the. time'. Which is his (their) excuse for attacking her.

    Now, as others have mentioned I don't think there's anything extraordinary in those papers, just release them already!

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    I think my favorite line from above (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:11:51 PM EST
    Is this

    Sanders: "Well they've been in office all these years."

    I saw this.  The interviewer, who consistently does every thing possible to enable Sanders and his enablers, was clearly stunned and momentarily at a loss.  He then said something like 'and Bernie was doing...what?....exactly?'

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    Well (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:22:59 PM EST
    two weeks have gone by and where are they? I know she has said they are home somewhere but that statement makes them sound like they are on the show hoarders. You can just visualize their house filled to the brim with papers everywhere and they just can't imagine which pile those papers are in.

    They can sign a form and the IRS will release them immediately or Turbo Tax stores it in a could for you and they could go there. It would only take a few minutes to release them but they do not want to for some reason. Latest speculation is that they are worth 5 million.

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    Did anyone else (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Suisser1 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:36:52 AM EST
    find it odd that she admitted that they almost always file for an extension?

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    The Clinton campaign is not (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 03:22:45 PM EST
    Making vicious insinuations or accusations every day as this sort of comment that both Bernie and Jane are repeatedly stating implies. Oh yes, and "we said of course" but then didn't do it. This is just untruthful claptrap.

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    She (4.50 / 2) (#58)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 10:29:17 PM EST
    had an unpleasant, rather hostile response to every question in the interview, not just defensive but the kind meant to keep you off balance. Not the best technique if you're lying. Like him she seems deeply angry. Definitely not a pair I'd like to have a beer with -- too scary.

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    Jane (none / 0) (#36)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:06:29 PM EST
    So snarky.

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    ... especially given that the number of people out there during this silly season -- particularly the professional CDS patients at MSNBC -- who are absolutely looking for any reasons whatsoever to gin up outrage against Hillary Clinton.

    Mayor Bill de Blasio just handed them one via an unforced error. Sometimes, I really have to wonder at the people who are advising the candidate on these things. After this unnecessary faux pas, I'd consider moving the decimal point on their next couple of paychecks two places to the left.

    I'm pretty sure this kerfuffle will blow over in a day or two,  but for right now, all you have to do is Google "CP Time" to see where the hits just keep on coming.

    Aloha.

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    It was a joke. (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:32:23 PM EST
    He's absolutely right.  Everybody can just get over it.  Or pi$$ off.

    No body gives a sh!t except hysterical desperate Bernistas and their cable news enablers.

    Screw them all.  It wasn't the funniest joke in history but it was a joke.

    Get over it.

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    But from a campaign standpoint, such unforced errors are indeed a concern, because the next one may not be so easy to blow off.

    Look, Hillary Clinton and her supporters are clearly being judged by different criteria than are the other candidates. I mean, how else to explain why so many pundits have called hers a "failing candidacy" despite having received nearly 10 million votes in the primaries thus far, while simultaneously extolling Donald Trump as someone who has "changed the game," even though his own base level of support is nowhere near hers?

    The inherent unfairness of these obvious double standards in play here should be irrelevant with regards to campaign planning, and merely accepted as a given.

    The media bias just is what it is, and Mrs. Clinton, her campaign staff and her supporters need to accept that and conduct themselves accordingly, with the grace, dignity and respect which reflects someone of the candidate's stature. And for the most part, they have.

    NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio is infinitely better than what we heard via that rather poor taste of a joke -- and he needs to remember that, the next time he publicly campaigns for Mrs. Clinton.

    In fact, we're all better than that. And if we want Mrs. Clinton as our next president, we have to be.

    Aloha.

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    I'm sorry Donald (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:41:50 PM EST
    That sounds like a lot of silly Pearl clutching to me.

    Hillary is being held to a different standard.  Stop the presses.

    You may be better that that joke.  I am not.  And I will not be.  The mayor also is not and, I'm happy to say, basically told pi$$y Chris Hayes to suck it.   His expression was "look you beanie wearing little twerp I'm married to a black woman and have mixed race children.  If I want to make a CP time joke I will damn well make it".

    It was the perfect response.

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    Well, I'm glad that you watch Chris Hayes ... (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:09:41 PM EST
    ... so nobody else has to do it, because given his ratings, apparently very few others actually do. I'd be more concerned if Mayor de Blasio's faux pas ended up as one of the lead stories on the network news shows, which it hasn't thus far. As far as I can tell, there was a single mention on ABC News and another on PBS News Hour last night, and that was it.

    As someone who's actually run campaigns, I cringed when I heard de Blasio's line about "CP time," because it was delivered with Hillary Clinton standing onstage next to him. Were I running her campaign, I'd have never let her participate in that skit without first insisting that the line be dropped. The Inner Circle dinner is an annual New York media event and as such, "CP time" held rich potential to blow up in the candidate's face. If you've got to explain a joke ex post facto, then it's really not much of a joke.

    It's entirely beside the point if the Sanders campaign's attempt to spin a counter-narrative hasn't actually gained much if any traction. Why even hand them such an opportunity to concoct one in the first place? If she wants to put the Sanders camp permanently in her rear-view mirror, then she has to win New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland. In that regard, Mrs. Clinton's presence onstage at the Inner Circle event did absolutely nothing to help her cause.

    I don't think there's any lasting damage to her here, and hopefully by next Tuesday it'll be forgotten. But I'll watch Chris Hayes later tonight when I get home, and if your read on de Blasio's reaction is accurate, I'd certainly think twice about putting him out there unscripted as my candidate's surrogate. Cobbling together a campaign coalition is not easy. What might play well with you and me, may not be so readily appreciated by others.

    This isn't a vicarious form of entertainment for people's amusement. Hillary Clinton is trying to win an election, not an Emmy or Tony. Those senior staffers who let her go out there with "CP time" still in the script did not serve her well. She should consider herself fortunate that that relatively few people took much notice, so she'll be unscathed. But next time, she may not be so lucky.

    Aloha.

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    Ridiculous... (none / 0) (#90)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:25:29 AM EST
     Nothing to see there unless you're a PC Cop, and a real hard-arse one at that.

    Especially with the joke coming from Billy D...the papers are always make fun of his penchant for being late for mayoral appearances and such. CP time would be an improvement for him.

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    PC = ordinary human decency (none / 0) (#114)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 03:27:18 PM EST
    Or plain civilized discourse. What's so offensive about that?

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    I'd find a society... (none / 0) (#115)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 03:58:38 PM EST
    lacking in humor, satire, light-hearted mockery, with no regard for context pretty offensive...you bet.  Or at unpleasant, thats' no way to live.

    Did you really find the joke indecent or meant to belittle or demean black people?  C'mon sallywally, you can't fool me!

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    Bernie rally in Washington Square tonight (none / 0) (#34)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:54:03 PM EST
    with star-studded attendees, including Spike Lee and the former Mr. Susan Sarandon. Big symbolism and tradition, protestors, Bob Dylan, etc., and drugs. Transcendence everywhere.

    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:06:58 PM EST
    Got 25000 in the same spot last cycle without Spike Lee.  And then lost the state to Hillary.  So......

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    Mr. Susan (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:30:04 PM EST
    Sarandon who said winning SC was like winning Guam? I would think his campaign would be smart enough to muzzle him.

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    And one of his surrogates (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 10:51:58 PM EST
    Used ther term "Democratic whores" to describe those in Congress who align with corporations - so hecsaid- but the transcript makes it clear it was trying to subtly refer to HRC.

    Stay classy,team Sanders, stay classy.

    Ironic coming from the campaign whose candidate only "joined" the Democratic Party to get their money and the media exposure.  Isn't that the exact definition of the very word they are trying to pin on Hillary...?


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    at BNR (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:36:22 AM EST
    Peter Daou has a write-up of that 'episode' where one of Bernie Sanders' introducers referred to 'Corporate Democratic Wh0res':

    Now Secretary Clinton has said that Medicare for all will never happen. [boos] Well, I agree with Secretary Clinton that Medicare for all will never happen if we have a president who never aspires for something greater than the status quo. [cheers] Medicare for all will never happen if we continue to elect corporate Democratic whores [cheers] who are beholden to big pharma and the private insurance industry instead of us.

    The speaker, Dr. Paul Y. Song, later apologized - on Twitter. He of course was talking about Congress not Hillary Clinton. Although he talked about her just prior to the offensive remark, so of course, sure. [rolls eyes]

    And Bernie Sanders? He thanked the speaker(s). Further response will have to wait, I guess, as with their buzy schedule and all, he - and Jane? - probably needs a couple of weeks to respond.

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    That rally (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:42:04 AM EST
    was nothing short of a disaster. You had Paul Song screaming about "democratic whores" who btw had his sister in law rescued from North Korea by none other than Bill Clinton. Then you had meltdowns by other speakers using curse words and all kinds of nonsense.

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    This is the blatant statement (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:49:38 AM EST
    of what the Sanders campaign has been insinuating all along about Clinton; in a way, it's the whole campaign in a nutshell, merging the corporate greed meme with Hillary attacks to smear her for her record, policies and being a woman.

    IMO this is the lowest, dirtiest point of the Sanders campaign. Will the news channels give it any notice?

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:31:06 AM EST
    Looks like they are noticing; MSNBC reporting that both Song and Sanders apologized this morning. Think it I'll be brought up in debate tonight. Claire McCaskill said should have done it immediately after it was said.

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    exactly (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by mm on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:48:55 AM EST
    So, Secretary Clinton has sold her soul to the devil and is a corrupt corporate whore and Wall Street sellout, totally unqualified to be President, but he means no offense.

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    Shakeville's (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:34:25 AM EST
    Melissa McEwan cites Dr. Song tweeting a general apology:

    I am very sorry for using the term 'whore' to refer to some in congress who are beholden to corporations and not us. It was insensitive.

    ["us"?]

    And this morning Bernie Sanders tweeted:

    Dr. Song's comment was inappropriate and insensitive. There's no room for language like that in our political discourse.

    I guess the two of them coordinated what words to use? But ... "insensitive"? Not my first choise of word to describe Dr. Song's comment and ... actually a bit condescending, no?

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    The one who traded her in for a newer model back in 1979, or the one that SHE recently traded in for a newer model?

    ;-D

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    I guess the second (none / 0) (#59)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 10:32:13 PM EST
    Mr. Sarandon. 😊

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    Sadly... (none / 0) (#91)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:29:41 AM EST
    you're mistaken about the drugs in Washington Square Park...Rudy with an assist from Bill Clinton & Congress ruined that for everybody, and even Billy D hasn't been able to get the dealers to come back to the park, I fear they're gone forever.  

    You need to bring your own or you're not going to have a good time.

    I was on the tail end of the last generation to be able to cop in Washngton Square as easy as buying a pack or Wrigleys from a newsstand....those were the days.

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    Thom Hartmann today: (none / 0) (#35)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 06:02:16 PM EST
    "This is truly a revolutionary time." Changed to NPR.

    And now you, too, can be a revolutionary ... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:24:43 PM EST
    ... without ever having to leave the comfort of home or even miss your favorite TV shows! Who knew that political insurrection could be so cheap, easy and accessible? Just watch how capitalist parasites are simply swept away with just a single wipe! Marx and Lenin never had it so good! And best of all, clean-up afterward is a snap!

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    Because (none / 0) (#60)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 10:35:12 PM EST
    you don't even have to do it yourself -- the servants can take care of it.

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    FWIW (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:22:10 PM EST
    There was a member of the RNC rules committee on Morning Joe this morning and the interview has been being replayed all day.  The same guy is about to appear on Hayes show.
    Anyway
    What he said that's been getting a lot of replay is this-

    "If Donald Trump comes to the convention with 1100 votes he will become the nominee even tho he may not have 1237"

    So they've (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:24:00 PM EST
    finally decided not to blow up the party to get rid of Donald.

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    Actually no (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:28:42 PM EST
    I don't think that's been decided.  I believe it is still very much being discussed.  I will report whatever ihe says tonight that changes, revises or extends those remarks.

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    Ok (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:33:56 PM EST
    RNC tweets 'hold your horses, it's still 1237'

    In response the guy say yes, that's true I just meant that if he comes with north of 1100 votes momentum will carry him over with the help of some side deals.  Or something like that.

    Which is probably true.

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    Saw the guy (none / 0) (#55)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:53:14 PM EST
    He made the point that Trump and Cruz will control which rules are in place since they are the only two with any real number of delegates.  They both are unlikely to want to change Rule 40 which is the one requiring winning 8 states to be on the ballot.

    With only two choices and Trump significantly ahead of Cruz the question is how many of the delegates for the other candidates not on the ballot Trump or Cruz can turn.  Trump needs to turn far fewer than Cruz.

    Back when Trump seemed to be winning everything some Republican rebels thought Trump was the best choice for an executive, while Cruz was more of a legal mind who would be a great choice for a Supreme Court seat if Trump won the general election.

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    No charges against Lewandowski (none / 0) (#53)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:06:34 PM EST
    well duh (none / 0) (#54)
    by linea on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:38:18 PM EST
    i'm not fond of the meme that adult women are too delicate to be at a media scrum.

    media scrum: A horde of photographers and/or journalists that gather to snap that first shot, or ask that first question, at a scene of media excitement, usually involving a famous person mired in controversy, or even just joe public thrown into the spotlight for a similar outrage or scandal.

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    Interesting article about a new (none / 0) (#66)
    by ExPatObserver on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:43:54 AM EST
    Probably (none / 0) (#67)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 05:42:10 AM EST
    The greatest foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama Administration

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    Question about superdelegates (none / 0) (#72)
    by ExPatObserver on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:24:15 AM EST
    Commenters on news articles are uniformly stating that Bernie only wants the superdelegates from states he won to switch their votes. I'm almost sure I saw that he wants ALL superdelegates to switch, regardless of the state results.
    Which is it?

    I would (5.00 / 5) (#80)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:20:04 AM EST
    presume that Bernie only wants the ones who are not whores.

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    Without a doubt (5.00 / 4) (#96)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:05:31 PM EST
    that comment about "democratic corporatist whores" --in the open & before thousands of people left me fuming, steaming, and a bunch of other "ings."  Plus, I even lost some tears in anger. It stinks, sucks, reeks.

    Here is why: Not because the word is such a shocker ... not because it evidences a growing antipathy from that campaign, an attitude which had been noticeable since the pranks of the earliest campaign stages (misrepresentation in advertising & endorsements, misrepresentation in official union matters, ludicrous cries of unqualified, goofy & changing arguments about delegate representation, ratcheted-up whining, etc.) ... not because the heated push from the underdog barking in all directions is unexpected ... etc.  No, what has happened now & imo is the Sanders campaign has "gone there."

    By saying that the Sanders campaign has "gone there" my meaning is that the head of the campaign and the one undeniably responsible for the atmosphere, culture of his immediate campaign can only be AND is Bernie Sanders himself.  To merely get off his rear-end to tweet hours later that his surrogate speaker Mr. Song's comment--delivered BEFORE Mr. Sanders spoke at the event yesterday--was "inappropriate" & "insensitive"  is one of the most sterile imitations of an apology that I have ever seen. Period.

    What stuck with me after the fiasco: (a) To even suggest that a person of such experience & stature & public service as Hillary Clinton is, variously, "unqualified" and now--in the context of Mr. Song's misogynistic accusation--a "corporate whore(s)" is outside the bounds for a modern-day Democratic presidential campaign. (b) Since Mr. Sanders has demonstrated his ability to use harsh language about almost any number of things--e.g., "outrageous" used so often as to be a common adjective--his mild tweet tells me why we have seen this troubling aspect of his campaign more than once.  It sure looks like  he is  "suffering, enjoying, allowing" this "atmosphere" to continue, especially as his delegate task becomes more challenging.  Ends and Means?

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    You might be shocked to learn,... (3.00 / 2) (#97)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:08:57 PM EST
    I have no problem with the comment....PJ O'Rourke called it a Parliament of Whores way back in '91, and it's only become more of a whorehouse since.

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    He (5.00 / 4) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 12:40:44 PM EST
    wasn't calling congress a whore. He was calling Hillary one and then when called on it he said congress. The idiot is writing ads for Trump. I would expect to hear this kind of thing from Trump's campaign but Bernie's campaign is starting to sound a lot like Trump's.

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    Whoa... (1.00 / 1) (#102)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 01:10:54 PM EST
    settle down GA, settle down...me thinks you hear what you want to hear from the "idiot".

    If it makes you feel any better, we are all whores in our own way.  

    Elected officials are unique in that they whore themselves out to lobbyists and special interests, while pimping out their constituents (and country).  The rare pimp and prostitute combo platter.  

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 01:45:19 PM EST
    there's no hearing. It's reading the whole thing he said.

    Anyway decide for yourself link

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    To deny... (none / 0) (#105)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 01:59:00 PM EST
    the existence of "corporate Democratic whores" is to deny the existence of our political reality.

    Corporate Democratic & (more so) Republican whores are exactly the reason we can't have nice things like Medicare for All, taxpayer funded tuition-free public universities, and an economy that serves all people here in the wealthiest nation on earth.  Them and the people that vote for them.

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    No (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:25:23 PM EST
    the reason we can't have those things is the voters do not want them. Even Bernie's voters don't want them according to an article on Vox unless they get to pay $1,000 or less for everything he is proposing. So his own supporters would turn on him in a NY minute if he actually got to be president and raised taxes enough to pay for what he wants to do.

    The thing is if you want to change minds you have to do the hard work on the ground of changing minds. It's never going to work just electing a Nader type candidate who thinks he can just wave a magic wand and deliver.

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    Bull, kdog (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:29:40 PM EST
    That kind of spouting is little more than sloganeering.  Sorry... but I'm not ok at all ok with jumping from the if-you-don't-agree-with-me approach --per your summary--then the opponent is corrupt or rotten or what-not.  Let's get out of the school yard.  The politics of 300+ million people, diverse people & positions, is not so simple.  

    In fact & as an aside, lucky that we aren't small, insular, homogenous Denmark ... they seem to be facing a real-world challenge as a result of extensive migration of Syrian related refugees; and, it seems that some hardliners there (similar to what we have here) want to send them all back or other negative reactionary measures.  It is a challenge for Denmark, a similar puzzle to harsh challenges that larger, more diverse nations face everyday. Maybe the situation illustrates something others have been trying to point out here:  It takes planning, compromise, work, and more work to make headway ... even incremental headway. That people have different approaches to move toward a good goal should be respected, not condemned as corrupt because of disagreement as to the means.  

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    OK you're right... (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:59:15 PM EST
    corporations, billionaires, and special interests have no influence at all in Washington DC, our saintly elected federal representatives always act in the best interests of their constituents as a whole. No special treatment for those entities that lavish millions upon millions on  candidates in every election.

    Even Hillary Clinton doesn't believe that, according to her campaign rhetoric.

    I thought I was the one on dope here?

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    Kdog,, please (none / 0) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 05:12:42 PM EST
    permit me to nominate you for a public relations position with the Sanders' campaign.  You could bring to the campaign so much that they are seriously missing: a sense of humor, a way with words, and an appreciation for parody. It would give the campaign a better grasp of proportion and perspective.  And, also too, you could coach some of Bernie's supporters on how to win more friends and influence people.  Of course, Bernie himself, could do with a little help.    

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    KD my man... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:30:34 PM EST
    I'd certainly work cheaper than that slimey Tad motherf#cker! ;)

    Though I question why I follow it sometimes, never mind doing it. No amount of the sacrament can cleanse the soul of that kinda filth...it barely cleanses the plumbing business.


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    Not to take anything away from kdog (none / 0) (#125)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:48:59 PM EST
    who is one of my favorites on TL (even though I think some of his views are nutty!), but I think you've got this "a sense of humor, a way with words, and an appreciation for parody" covered, KeysDan.

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    Ain't that the truth... (none / 0) (#130)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 07:07:47 PM EST
    I'm a hack, KD is the master. Bow down.

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    Not at all :-) (none / 0) (#132)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 07:24:26 PM EST
    I'm a hack

    Never mentioned this before but a simple comment you made a few years back here on TL changed my view on something. And, in turn my husband, then my parents and now my young nieces.
    So, Mr K, you have influenced 6 people you have never met. I get a lot of 'Thank-yous' and 'God Bless Yous' because of you and every single time I think of you and send some of those good wishes your way.

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    You did the same.... (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 07:39:44 PM EST
    ya know, old pal...changed my view on hiring household servants, particularly as it related to poorer nations. Don't know if you'll remember.

    One less nut in this noggin, Cheers!

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    Hmmm. Good attempt at a dodge, kdog (none / 0) (#120)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 05:18:45 PM EST
    There are special interests everywhere ... more or less powerful, and for different reasons.  Ignoring your sarcasm, I'd offer that it is more than the infamous millionaires & billionaires.  That is why planning, strategic moves, and dedicated work on the action plan are paramount in moving any worthwhile interest.  No presto, magico ...rather, identify the objective and the groups that one has to move/alter to achieve the objective.  A lot is about the $$$$, but not all of it.

     A prime example in the successful process of identifying & achieving a worthwhile objective--not perfect by a long-shot, but worthwhile to millions of people cut off before the action--is the strategy for and realization of the Affordable Care Act, the most significant advancement in health regulatory reform & services in decades. There is Doing and there is Dreaming ... the ACA resulted from both attributes.

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    No, Kdog, (none / 0) (#122)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:14:15 PM EST
    you're the one on Reality.

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    So (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 05:46:30 PM EST
    when HillPac, gave Bernie  10k in 2006 was he being a whore or a pimp? Big money in politics is a reality, we all know it, but it's unavoidable. Calling people names will not change it.

    Take Russ Feingold, he has raised 7.5 mill this year(over half from large donors and PAC's) and he needs more. Is he a corporate whore? Would you deny him more money, or not welcome him back to the Senate?

    Pretending that one man can make that go away is truly denying political reality, and don't go spouting off that "revolution" crap, the Constitution is specifically written to make sure that one man and 51% of the vote can not change the system in any significant way without the help of Congress and the Courts, help that is not even on the horizon.

    Estimates for the total spending this Presidential cycle is 3 Billion +, do you really think Bernie will be raising that kind of dough? At $27 a trick? Should all the whores quit the business and taken a vow of poverty, and hope to ride to election on Bernie's wave?

    That would be a perfect revolution......for the Republicans.

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    One man can't do it... (none / 0) (#124)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:40:18 PM EST
    I look at Bernie as the man trying to kick us all in the arse so we do our Damn job and clean this pigsty  full of pimping whores up, and throw the moneychangers out of the pigsty that should be a temple of government by, of, and for.

    The blame don't rest with the pols and their purseholders, it's all ours baby. We've tolerated a good guy like Russ Feingold, or good gal like Hillary Clinton, having to raise 100 million dollars by hook or by crook to be a public servant.

    A vow of poverty might not be a bad idea Joe, might not be a bad idea...

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    Jesus (none / 0) (#126)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:56:24 PM EST
    reportedly had God on his side when he cleared the temple, no such luck for Bernie.

    Given the term that has been central to this discussion, I should throw in a gratuitous, reference to Mary Magdalene, but I am unable to come up with one.  

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    Medicare for All (none / 0) (#127)
    by linea on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:58:22 PM EST
    when bernie announced his plan, i went to his site and read his proposal and was a bit disconcerted. i like that there is a dedicated program just for the elderly. why not a "catastrophic for all" but keep a dedicated program for the elderly? just me musing pointlessly i suppose.

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    He wants as many of them to switch as it takes for (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 10:00:18 AM EST
    him to win. that is the only consistency in it.  

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    Lol at self (none / 0) (#73)
    by ExPatObserver on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:26:55 AM EST
    I'm quite jetlagged, so I forgot that I read about this very issue in another post on TL.

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    I thought (none / 0) (#82)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:34:09 AM EST
    I heard the same thing. It seemed way remarkable.

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    At least we are spared the spectacle (none / 0) (#88)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:04:04 AM EST
    of Tim Russert working all the math on a white board. Somewhere in the afterlife people are ripping out their ghostly hair watching that.

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    Jane Sanders (none / 0) (#84)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:53:30 AM EST
    being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell today. Who could be more of a corporate whore than Mrs. Alan Greenspan?

    She has been on every MSNBC show (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:59:41 AM EST
    Every day all week.  

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    Because (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 10:33:04 AM EST
    she's continually trying to explain away that NYDN interview. Let's see. So far it's it was too early in the morning for Bernie, they didn't know the transcript was going to be released and the NYDN didn't understand what he meant when he said "I don't know".

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    Nah (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:10:42 AM EST
    It's because he's losing and MSNBC can't stand it.

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    Heh ... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:44:07 AM EST
    Jane Sanders says Husband's NY Daily News Interview Was Like 'An Inquisition':

    We commented on that afterwards, that it was more of an inquisition, hurry, hurry, interrupt, let's ask the questions don't let you even finish your answers. We didn't realize they had planned to release the transcript. So it became a little bit more evident what they were trying to do.

    Aaawww, poor baby ...

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    I missed the Mitchell interview (none / 0) (#117)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 04:25:03 PM EST
    Any comments about it?

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    How about this (none / 0) (#118)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 05:00:56 PM EST
    Andrea Mitchell Twitter feed?

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    The 20th time's a charm. (none / 0) (#129)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 07:06:03 PM EST
    A California Parole Board panel has recommended that former Charles Manson devotee and convicted murderer Leslie Van Houten, 66, be paroled from state prison after 19 previous requests by her had resulted in the board's denial. The panel's recommendation will be reviewed by the parole board's counsel, and then forwarded to Gov. Jerry Brown.

    It should be noted that the panel's recommendation is non-binding, and Gov. Brown could still block her release from prison. A similar recommendation was given by the review panel last summer in the case of Manson follower Bruce Davis, but its findings were rejected by Brown and the 73-year-old Davis remains incarcerated.

    Ms. Van Houten was convicted in the August 1969 ritual killings of Joseph and Rosemary LaBianca. Only 19 years old at the time, she admitted that she was on LSD at the time she stabbed Mrs. LaBianca 14 times. She has since become something of a model prisoner at the California Institution for Women in Chino during her time there, and has repeatedly expressed her personal shame and remorse for her crime. Whether that's enough to convince Gov. Brown to set her free remains to be seen.

    While I appreciate that people do change and can turn their lives around, the recommendation of parole in this case is not one which I would have made personally, given the particularly heinous nature of the original offense. But I respect the panel's findings and decision because it's their job to make these sorts of assessments and not mine, and I will trust Gov. Brown's final judgment in this matter. If he's cool with it, then so am I.

    Aloha.

    Question for those of you who (none / 0) (#131)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 07:08:06 PM EST
    understand how campaign finance works...

    Since Bernie is flying to Rome for his speech which technically has nothing to do with the election, can he use campaign funds to pay for it?
    I'm using Bernie as an example but really want to know if anyone running for a particular office is allowed to use campaign funds for something not related to campaigning.
    And if not, do they have to pay out of pocket or are they allowed to raise the money some other way?

    LOL! Per @armandodkos, aka BTD: (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:09:03 PM EST
    "'Bernie Sanders is spending $6,000 an hour to lease a private jet to take him to Rome to give a 10-minute speech about "The Idolatry of Money."' Heh well, if U put it that way ..." LINK.

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    ... by the FEC, because it's really unrelated to the business of elections and campaigns. And having experienced FEC audits personally, both when I headed a congressional campaign and when I was acting executive director of the state Democratic Party, I can assure you that their auditors are very good at what they do and are extremely thorough. You cut corners at your peril.

    If Bernie Sanders had a 527-class SuperPAC which ostensibly had an educational component and purpose, he could probably use that to spring for his trip to the Vatican, since he's going there to address a papal conference on poverty and presumably enlighten delegates as to his experience as a public official in dealing with the issue. I'd think that would be considered an allowable expense.

    Incidentally, Sanders is not meeting with Pope Francis.

    Aloha.

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    Thanks, Donald. I read somewhere that it would (none / 0) (#139)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:14:17 PM EST
    cost around $100,000 for the round trip to Rome on a private jet, so I was trying to figure out where that money would come from.
    I also read that his campaign asked for an invitation to the conference. So, while they are not lying when they say that he was invited by the Vatican, they are conveniently leaving out the fact that they asked to be invited.  You are right, as of now the Vatican is saying that there will be no meeting with the Pope.
    I don't know what they hope to gain from this trip. It is a very long and expensive trip to make for just a 10 minute speech!

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    That's what I've been thinking: (none / 0) (#140)
    by Nemi on Fri Apr 15, 2016 at 07:28:37 AM EST
    Who pays? And ... why even go?

    I've been looking at and following the changes in the official program for the conference Centesimus annus: 25 Years Later (PDF). In the original program there was no mentioning of Bernie Sanders.

    Then after he had been 'invited' (probably with a little help from Jeffrey Sachs?) he was now mentioned in the 'also ran' section: Other participants. Just his name and profession.

    But days later he was moved up into the List of Participants among the other 22 male and 2 female(!) participants, with a photo, a longer description and a bio. The bio starts

    Bernie Sanders is serving his second term in the U.S. Senate after winning re-election in 2012 with 71 percent of the vote. His previous 16 years in the House of Representatives make him the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history.

    Heh. Why is that even relevant for his participation in this seminar? Boasting?

    In the now revised program and schedule there had also been made room for a ten minute speaking slot for him, 4-4:10 PM Friday afternoon.

    And in the Other Participants section this participant is listed

    Jane O'MEARA SANDERS
    Senior Adviser

    Also listed is the Wife of Jeffrey Sachs, Sonia Ehrlich Sachs.

    So Jane and Bernie Sanders are going to Rome for a two day conference. Did they make it in time to be present at the opening at 9 o'clock Friday morning? That would be 3 o'clock New York/Brooklyn time! Will they attend the full two days? And why are they even there in the first place? Will it be worth it?

    Inquiring mind ... is puzzled. ;)

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    Jane Sanders (none / 0) (#141)
    by athyrio on Sun Apr 17, 2016 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    Left her job as head of a college in Vermont "under a cloud" due to a loan she obtained using information to get the loan which wasn't all true...when she left she got a "200,000 golden parachute" from them...she is now under investigation for all of that....probably why they don't wish to release all of their tax information....