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Homeland Security Pitches "If You See Something" Campaign at MLB Game

The Department of Homeland Security sent out a tweet today:

“If You See Something, Say Something™” materials will be visible during tonight's @MLB All Star Game

My response:

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    I seriously didn't see nuttin' (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 11:36:14 PM EST
    aka I didn't realize I needed to tune in @ 4:30 :D

    BUT! WAIT! I DID see something! Jeter taking his final bow as an AllStar. Glad I did catch that as I remember him in his first year @ the old Yankee Stadium. Oh, and yeah, we saw some sh!t there too ;)

    I saw nothing. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:24:01 AM EST
    That's because the game started in the mid-afternoon out here.

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    I don't know why I thought it started at 7 (none / 0) (#39)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:48:36 PM EST
    You would think after a few years back in CA I would get used to game times, but I still have a hard time with those early games on my fantasy teams :P

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    The grammar police (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:33:47 AM EST
    Will not purchase this shirt

    There is more than one individual here who flinched reading your tweet, not me but you have more than a handful of grammar conscious TL regulars :). Just sayin

    It (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by lentinel on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:13:17 AM EST
    should read, "I ain't seen nuttin'".

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    Yeah, but (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by sj on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:33:46 PM EST
    saying "I know nothing!" sounds rather Sergeant Shultz-y, don't you think?

    :)

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    I am imagining that (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:40:59 AM EST
    Serene image of the three monkeys with their hands over their eyes ears and mouth and suddenly they all start jumping up and down shrieking and pointing.

    See and say in history (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:32:31 PM EST
    I take no position on this person but I thought the information was interesting.  He ís a historian but I did not look into his political beliefs or motivations - just getting that out if the way...
    The quotes are from infowars so ......

    As Robert Gellately of Florida State University has highlighted, Germans under Hitler denounced their neighbors and friends not because they genuinely believed them to be a security threat, but because they expected to selfishly benefit from doing so, both financially, socially and psychologically via a pavlovian need to be rewarded by their masters for their obedience.
    "I started to read these files about all the victims in just one region of Germany that the Gestapo had processed," Gellately says. "It would have taken a large force of secret police to collect information on so many people. I needed to know just how many secret police there really were. So I asked an elderly gentleman who would've lived through those times, and he replied, `They were everywhere!'"

    That was the prevailing myth.

    "But I had evidence right there in my hands that supported a different story," Gellately explains. "There were relatively few secret police, and most were just processing the information coming in. I had found a shocking fact. It wasn't the secret police who were doing this wide-scale surveillance and hiding on every street corner. It was the ordinary German people who were informing on their neighbors."

    *

    As he was uncovering who was acting as the Gestapo's unsolicited agents, he also began to discern what motivated neighbor to inform on neighbor. The surviving myth told the story of informers who were motivated either by a commitment to the Third Reich or by a fear of authority.

    But the motives Gellately found were banal--greed, jealousy, and petty differences.

    He found cases of partners in business turning in associates to gain full ownership; jealous boyfriends informing on rival suitors; neighbors betraying entire families who chronically left shared bathrooms unclean or who occupied desirable apartments.

    And then there were those who informed because for the first time in their lives someone in authority would listen to them and value what they said.




    There's smoke/fire... (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:38:54 PM EST
    in that theory...in the US today people use 911 as a weapon in petty personal scores/disputes or as a means of harassment...happens everyday.  

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    Witches, terrorists (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 05:12:00 PM EST
    Neighbor watching neighbor has a way of not ending well.

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    That is one (none / 0) (#72)
    by sj on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:48:30 PM EST
    of the pithiest comments you have ever made.

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    Hey (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 08:43:51 PM EST
    Who are you callin pithie?

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    But neighbor watching out for neighbor... (none / 0) (#74)
    by unitron on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 09:08:36 PM EST
    ...can include asking police to check things out if there's something that sets off your radar.

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    in other words (3.50 / 2) (#6)
    by nyjets on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 06:04:10 AM EST
    IF you know that a violent act is going to happen, are you all saying that you would do nothings. Just close your eyes and pretend it does not exist? I mean, that is basically what you are all saying.

    Show me where someone said that, please. (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Angel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:00:31 AM EST
    i would say it is implied (none / 0) (#10)
    by nyjets on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:18:40 AM EST
    The whole expression seems to be saying you should stick your head in the sand and ignore everything that you see. At least, that is the way I would interpret expression.

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    Meh. (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Angel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:31:39 AM EST
    Seems pretty straightforward to me (2.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:32:17 AM EST
    Her reply to "If you see something, say something" is "No I won't".

    How you don't see that is beyond me. But I guess folks will only see what they want to see....

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    In no comment did anyone say they would not (3.50 / 2) (#27)
    by Angel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:48:38 AM EST
    report a violent crime if they knew it was going to happen.  Jeralyn didn't say that either.

    IF you know that a violent act is going to happen, are you all saying that you would do nothings. Just close your eyes and pretend it does not exist? I mean, that is basically what you are all saying.

    So, yeah, I agree with you that "...folks will only see what they want to see...."  Look in the mirror.

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    Intentionally obtuse... (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:53:53 AM EST
    when the man asks if we saw someone get shot/stabbed/beat/raped, we can revise our retort.

    But the man is asking if we saw "something", and in that case I'm with Jeralyn...I didn't see nuthin'.

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    So, what's she talking about then? (1.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:51:51 AM EST
    If you see someone jumping rope - she won't report it?

    I can't believe the lack of comprehension and reading on this site sometimes.

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    Not the right time to be casting stones (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by sj on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:09:11 PM EST
    I can't believe the lack of comprehension and reading on this site sometimes.
    Right after you say this:
    So, what's she talking about then?
    I think those of us who are more focused on civil liberties than law and order understand exactly what she's saying.

    But to clarify, an example might be appropriate: Stasi

    One of its main tasks was spying on the population, mainly through a vast network of citizens turned informants, and fighting any opposition by overt and covert measures including hidden psychological destruction of dissidents (Zersetzung, literally meaning decomposition).
    And I don't want to hear one thing about Godwin. The example is appropriate IMO

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    Hogwash (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:13:11 PM EST
    ::shrug:: (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:19:23 PM EST
    Clearly you still don't know what she is talking about, and yet you continue to opine. You might want to quit while you are not so far behind, because all you can do right now is dig a deeper hole.

    But wev.

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    This illustrates the whole problem... (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:44:57 PM EST
    with the stupid "see something" campaign.  Not everyone is reasonable and sane enough to identify real danger or threat...it encourages abuse of the emergency response system and people like say George Zimmerman seeing kids playing outside in the street and "saying something".

    The DHS knows we don't need to be told to call 911 when a stabbing victim is bleeding to death, or there is an armed robbery in progress.  So the government must be encouraging something else...conditioning us to report on each other over every little thing perhaps?  Spreading the fear and distrust that thwarts peace, unity, and progress?  Something (pun intended) as simple as justifying their own jobs/budget, consequences be damned?  

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    It's already happening! (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:59:41 PM EST
    There are people being questioned by the FBI just because some "concerned citizen" didn't like the way they looked.

    Hasn't gotten much attention in the press. But ask in the right circles and you'll hear the stories.

    This is how civil liberties disappear. Under the radar. Drip by drip.


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    Godwin addressed Nazi Germany... (none / 0) (#42)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:32:21 PM EST
    ...not East Germany post WWII while under Soviet control, so not the same thing, and besides, the only way to violate Godwin's law is to have the thread go on forever * without * mentioning the Nazis.

    All that said, seeing something that just seems "off", and asking the police to swing by and eyeball it is hardly the same thing as actively spying on the neighbors out of fear of the government.

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    Agree to disagree (none / 0) (#49)
    by sj on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:07:25 PM EST
    All that said, seeing something that just seems "off", and asking the police to swing by and eyeball it
    For one, who decides what "off" means? But more than that, there are already existing protocols and practices in place for that type of thing. I know this because I've used them/done it. Why elevate that to a Department of Homeland Security issue?

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    The #1 thing that will seem "off" (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:47:21 PM EST
    to most Americans, unfortunately, is a darker-skinned person walking, biking, driving, or parked in the "wrong" neighborhood, particularly if that darker-skinned person is young and male.

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    And wearing (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:48:35 PM EST
    A hoodie

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    Hoodie Not Necessary (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    Unless you want to re-ignite a fight here.

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    MmmmmK (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 03:38:27 PM EST
    Yep. DWB - Driving While Black - is prevalent (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Angel on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 01:04:12 PM EST
    around here.

    Cop, after he's pulled over the vehicle:  Why are you driving in this neighborhood?

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    Happens both ways, fwiw. (none / 0) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 01:39:59 PM EST
    Not that that makes it ok.

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    Sure does,,, (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 02:18:53 PM EST
    driving while white in a minority neighborhood = copping drugs...but nobody's droppin' dimes over that, that racial profiling is all on the police, can't blame "concerned citizens" for that mess.

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    Exactamundo. (none / 0) (#60)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 03:00:01 PM EST
    Asking the cops to check something out... (none / 0) (#75)
    by unitron on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 09:13:36 PM EST
    ...is not the same as screaming "TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS!" every time you see a woman wearing a scarf carrying a shopping bag.

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    One more time (none / 0) (#81)
    by sj on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 12:06:22 PM EST
    Asking the cops to check something out... (none / 0) (#75)
    by unitron on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 08:13:36 PM MDT

    ...is not the same as screaming "TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS!" every time you see a woman wearing a scarf carrying a shopping bag.


    There are already existing protocols and practices in place for that type of thing. Why elevate that to a Department of Homeland Security issue?

    DHS is encouraging people to look for something "off".


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    You're the one with the reading comprehension (none / 0) (#30)
    by Angel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:56:21 AM EST
    problem. Look at the parent comment to which I replied.  

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    The snitch campaign... (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:05:04 AM EST
    doesn't say "if you see a violent act in progress, say something".  If it did, more people could get down with it.  It says if you see "something"...honestly I don't even know what that means.  Is a guy taking a leak behind a tree count as "something"? How about a jaywalker?  A litterer?  A smoker in the non-smoking section?  Somebody's shoelaces untied?

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    My quiet and little neighborhood (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:17:53 AM EST
    (we haven't locked our doors since the day we moved in over 15 years ago) has been hit hard by broad-daylight home robberies over the past couple months.

    Five of them on July 3rd alone.

    The description I got from my neighbors is that the houses looked like they got hit by the Northridge earthquake.

    Completely ransacked. Every drawer in the entire house dumped and every item in the closets strewn on the floor. Art knocked off walls and smashed. Bed mattresses thrown aside. Etc, etc.

    Several residents noticed the same van parked in the 'hood, but took little note of it.

    No question that, now, we are all going to say something if we see something.

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    There is one (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by lentinel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:12:55 PM EST
    alternative...

    A police department that is geared to protect us, instead of hassle us.

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    There was a rash of that around here (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:24:16 AM EST
    Recently.  Don't know where you are but my nephew the cop said they started casing and robbing places during the workday because it much less risky than to do it here at night since every single house has multiple guns.

    No idea if that is the real reason.  

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    I'm just outside Los Angeles. (none / 0) (#15)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:27:00 AM EST
    Junkies robbin' sh*t... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:37:24 AM EST
    is one the rise everywhere I think...girl I work with woke up to her car broken into just yesterday, for her loose dashboard change.

    I wish junkies had a place to score their poison for free, or if not free cheap and legal.  Everybody would be better off...except the cartels and law enforcement of course, brothers in profiteering.

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    Around here it's meth heads (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:44:55 AM EST
    They stole my lawn chairs.  lawn chairs.  I thought what a weird thing to steal.  If you had asked you could have had them.  Seriously.

    It's the biggest problem, meth, and the one I can never imagine being decriminalized

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    Heroin and pills up here... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:57:06 AM EST
    we've got our meth too of course, but not nearly the public health/associated petty crime issue like the pills and heroin.

    It's hit home recently...a girl in my circle of friends is in a downward spiral, started on the pills and now on the needle.  Had to cut her out of my life...I told her if ya want help getting clean I'll do anything for ya, but if you're gonna be a junkie I want nothing to do with you, don't come around here with that garbage.

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    I have had to do that (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:00:33 AM EST
    It's very hard.  But it can save their life.  If enough people do it.  I've sen it happen.

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    My friend lives in the Heights area in Houston (none / 0) (#22)
    by Angel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:47:38 AM EST
    and had two chairs stolen from his front porch.  Guess you've got to chain or nail down some things these days.  :)

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    No you won't... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:33:20 AM EST
    if you see the same suspicious van you will, and that's fair enough I guess...but that's not any old "something".

    Me, I'd be too worried that the van had nothing to do with the robberies, and potentially jamming up some poor innocent slob with a van with my dime-drop.  I'd rather get robbed than be party to that...my conscience can't handle it.

    That's all I'm asking really...that those that drop dimes be damn sure it's necessary, and to be aware of the possible harm resulting from the action.  It can be an indirect violent act, be sure it is justified.  

    End public service announcement;)

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    in looking out for each other, however that may manifest itself.

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    Nothing wrong with that... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:47:21 AM EST
    that's what good neighbors do.  

    Part of that is not sicking the law on each other...send the cops to my house, don't be asking to borrow no sugar no more!

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    we don't even know where the keys for our locks are.

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    Speaking of good neighbors.... (none / 0) (#41)
    by vml68 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 06:29:20 PM EST
    A few weeks ago, on a Friday night while my husband and I were having dinner, we hear a knock on the door. I was quite startled and to find it was the police checking to see if everything was alright. Apparently, they had got a call reporting domestic violence in progress. We were completely confused and after I reassured them that I had not made any such call, they left.

    20 mins later, they were back saying that the call had actually come from one of our neighbors and so they wanted to make sure that I really was OK. I told them my husband had just got home an hour earlier from a week long trip and had not taken the time to beat me between then and when we sat down for dinner! They could see we were in the middle of a meal, so they apologized and left.

    I know both of my next door neighbors and was pretty sure neither of them would have called the police. So, I headed downstairs to talk to the people in the condo below me. Turns out that the woman in the condo below was sleeping and was disturbed by a thumping noise. So, her first instinct was to call the police and report that someone was being beaten up.
    That "thumping" was my Labrador bouncing up and down with excitement because my husband was home! What is even funnier is that my Lab has been greeting my husband the same way for years whether he has been away for a few hours or a few weeks and there has never been an issue. And, with how well soundproofed the condos are here, I doubt she heard more than a muffled thump. Anyway, she was too embarrassed to come to the door, so I got the "explanation" via her boyfriend.
    Thanks, neighbor....

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    Otoh (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:37:26 AM EST
    Yup .... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:36:13 AM EST
    it's as simple as this.

    My sentiments exactly. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:22:14 AM EST
    I'd be hard pressed to name anyone who heard, saw or knew nothing better than him.

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    Is this... (none / 0) (#5)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 02:32:54 AM EST

    ""If You See Something, Say Something<sup>TM</sup>" materials will be visible during tonight's @MLB All Star Game"

    ...bureaucrat-speak for "We rented some billboard space"?

    I can (none / 0) (#35)
    by lentinel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 01:10:23 PM EST
    think of nothing more patriotic than our beloved and mildly incompetent government having us scope out our neighbors at a major league baseball game.

    stuck in the middle (none / 0) (#38)
    by Lora on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:38:57 PM EST
    We are spied on by our own government. We can be ratted out for nothing by our neighbors at the ball park.  We can blown up at a public place from a suspicious backpack or parked van placed by a dyed-in-the-wool terrorist, or shot by a weapon-toting guy who just happened to go off the deep end.

    There seems to be no good option.  I think I would rather err on the side of "something" than "nothing," unfortunate though the phrasing was and untrustworthy the organization who came up with it.

    "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right..."

    And then there (none / 0) (#43)
    by lentinel on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:12:19 AM EST
    is the lovely possibility of getting in way of the crossfire between the zealous gendarmes and those singled out by those who have "seen something".

    Me, I think I'll watch the game on tv.

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    Gads (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:40:03 AM EST
    The same commentators so concerned over their civil liberties being lost are the same ones demanding that we not write Indian instead of Native American.

    ...And applauding the government for sticking its long nose into the Washington Redskin matter....

    Excuse me... I gotta go read all the nutritional information on my breakfast cereal and decide if I can have one lump or two in my decaf...

    lol

    I guess some (5.00 / 6) (#46)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 08:52:55 AM EST
    just love the freedom to be bigoted.

    The First Amendment does not protect you against public backlash or shaming.   It protects against government prohibition of the speech.   The theory is that the "marketplace of ideas" will winnow out the bad ideas.

    Your problem is that the marketplace of ideas has rejected your bigoted terms.   You have a right to express your ideas, but not right to have your ideas appreciated or be free from criticism.

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    Exactly. (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 09:27:50 AM EST
    Excellent comment.

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    Yes! (none / 0) (#57)
    by ZtoA on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 01:09:40 PM EST
    Try and think (1.20 / 5) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 04:53:03 PM EST
    I copied this from Howdy's comment:

    As Robert Gellately of Florida State University has highlighted, Germans under Hitler denounced their neighbors and friends not because they genuinely believed them to be a security threat, but because they expected to selfishly benefit from doing so, both financially, socially and psychologically via a pavlovian need to be rewarded by their masters for their obedience.

    "I started to read these files about all the victims in just one region of Germany that the Gestapo had processed," Gellately says. "It would have taken a large force of secret police to collect information on so many people. I needed to know just how many secret police there really were. So I asked an elderly gentleman who would've lived through those times, and he replied, `They were everywhere!'"

    And this from MKS'

    The First Amendment does not protect you against public backlash or shaming.   It protects against government prohibition of the speech.   The theory is that the "marketplace of ideas" will winnow out the bad ideas.

    The PC Police have become the New Nazis.


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    Clearly illustrating (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 05:10:40 PM EST
    That you entirely missed the point of both

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    Sigh,,, I knew you wouldn't understand (1.00 / 4) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:00:05 PM EST
    The same people who supported a political position that created a Chinese Firewall between the CIA and the FBI thus blocking critical information that could have prevented 911 scream that you can't write "Indian."

    You moan for freedom yet you deny personal freedom over a word that is not a pejorative.

    You demand the government dictate the contents of school lunches, shut down the coal industry and stop manufacturing 100 watt incandescent bulbs...along with toilets that don't flush... condemn cigarettes because they have tar in them and cause cancer and applaud smoking MJ which has tar in it....

    You are a Group Collective making your own conflicting rules based on what you think words mean.

    Pardon me while I laugh at you.

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    But of course! (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by sj on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:46:54 PM EST
    Sigh,,, I knew you wouldn't understand
    No one could! Well, no one who thinks logically. Or even semi logically.

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    Let summarize (1.00 / 3) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 10:02:05 PM EST
    Hypocrite  

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    Never took a course ... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 06:43:48 AM EST
    ... in basic logic, did you?

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    Nazis? (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:23 PM EST
    What an asinine, ignorant comment.  My comment is textbook, or black letter law.

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    Do you not get the difference (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:29:28 PM EST
    between government and non-government action?

    The Gestapo was an arm of the government.

    No one guaranteed that your tired, old, bypassed bigotry would be loved.

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    In other words (5.00 / 6) (#48)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 10:59:59 AM EST
    no one's going to send you to the gulag for continuing to spout half-baked idiocy, Jim. Sling away.

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    jondee, must I tell you again (1.00 / 2) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 04:46:59 PM EST
    that you are incapable of any original thought??

    I must and I do.


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    Jim, jondee (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:06:08 PM EST
    has more original thoughts here than almost anyone else.....I appreciate the literate point of view.....

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    The problem is that Indian (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 04:44:52 PM EST
    is not a bigoted term.

    a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion

    It is not a pejorative.

    And of course you are welcome to make yourself look silly trying to make something up just because you wish to establish control of the language.

    OTOH I am sure you have no problem with the term "Tea Bagger" when used in connection with the Tea Party.

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    "Indian" seems to be commonly used by many Native Americans.
    NDN, ndn -- Indian, used mostly among young and on the Internet

    OSI -- Out of State Indian (relocated from another area)

    Rez Dog -- Indian who hangs around the reservation

    Twink, Twinki, Twinkie -- Non-Indian who believes in New Age mysticism

    Payment (noun) - A payment of monies that is given to an indian USUALLY on the day of, or after, his or her 18th birthday. Similar to the white mans payment, cept more native.

    Indian Time, typically describes being late. But will get you in trouble from elders if you use it, because Red people were usually early or arrived precisely when they meant to.
    Q: Does "Wasicun," the Sioux word for the white man, really mean "greedy person who steals the fat"?
    A: No. Wasicun is a real word in both Lakota and Dakota Sioux (variously spelled Wasicu, Wašicun, Wasichu, Washicun, or Washichu), and it does mean "non-Indian."
    More than 100,000 people from nearly 700 Tribes attended the 31st annual Gathering of Nations Pow-Wow April 24-26, which included the Miss Indian World pageant. Honor and pride echoed from the start of every grand entry ceremony through all dance and drum competitions and to each final award presentation.

    Along Pow-Wow Alley, the 500-booth Indian Trader's Market offered authentic Indian arts, crafts and jewelry makers who showcased beads and stones in one-of-a-kind fashions.


    Clearly, though, like just about anything, it certainly can be used derogatorily.

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    ...and, also, of course, it can offend, (none / 0) (#68)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 05:56:59 PM EST
    regardless of the user's intention...

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:02:58 PM EST
    and so can Red Neck.

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