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Michael Phelps wins his 18th gold medal.

Happy 51st birthday to President Obama.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Happy Saturday to everyone. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 04:53:14 PM EST
    It's an absolutely gorgeous morning in Honolulu, so of course I'm at the office, having just finished meeting with the board president and executive director of a Big Island client of mine. We have a major grant proposal that needs to be finished and submitted by next Friday, and it's the only time we could get together before the due date to review the draft and amend it.

    Now that it's all pau (finished), they're on their way to the airport to head back to Kona, and I'm on my way over to Diamond Head to go surfing. It's just too beautiful a day, and I gotta get in the water.

    Aloha, everyone, Have a great weekend, wherever you happen to be.

    Done! (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Cylinder on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 05:44:21 PM EST
    After processing ~300 lbs of San Marzano into 4 cases of sauce (quarts) and 4 cases of salsa (pints), I am done!

    Now for the remaining squash relish...

    Every summer and fall, I get green with envy (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by vml68 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:15:27 PM EST
    reading about Zorba, Gyrfalcon and Nycstray's garden bounty. Now,I have to add you to the list!!!

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    Just emptied a lot of cans (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 06:34:03 PM EST
    of San Marzano tomatoes to make a big green chile for the TL kid and his girlfriend who are coming to dinner. I've never made it with fresh tomatoes, probably would be even better.

    Too hot for wine though, I think it will be big gin and tonics.

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    Cheers (none / 0) (#4)
    by Slado on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 06:59:35 PM EST
    I fancy home made margaritas on warm summer nights


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    That green chili (none / 0) (#26)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 12:01:49 PM EST
     of Jeralyn's is the best and I wish she was cooking it here...now.

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    {cheers!} (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 07:33:38 PM EST
    That's quite an accomplishment!!!! I processed a LOT of tomatoes last year, but I don't think I quite hit 300lbs (although I was harvesting approx ten pounds a day, hmmm) :) Still have some which is good, as my tomatoes are late this year. I always love when I don't run out before the next crop comes in, lol!~

    Recipe for squash relish? Last year I did squash pickles, but relish sounds like an alternative.

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    Squash Relish (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Cylinder on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 11:08:29 PM EST
    The basic recepie:

    1 gallon diced squash/zuke/cuke (any combo you wish)
    2 large white onion diced
    3 large bell peppers diced
    1/3 cup salt

    5 cups sugar
    4 cups white vinegar (5% only please)
    4 tsp celery seed
    4 tsp whole mustard seed

    Clean whole sqaush throuroughly. Cut into 1/2 inch slices and cut slices into 1/2 cubes. Dice onion and peppers. Sprinkle veg with salt and toss to mix. Drain veg mix in large collinder or steamer basket for an hour. Drain thouroughly.

    Prepare water bath. Sterilize ~7 pint jars in dishwasher (or water barh if you prefer).

    To make pickling liquid, add sugar, vinegar, celery seed and mustard seed in a large (coated)stock pot and bring to boil. Add veg mix and return to boil. Lower heat. Simmer for 15 min or until tender.

    Sterilize lids and tools. Pack relish into pint jars using slotted spoon. Fill with liquid leaving 1/2 inch headspace. Remove air bubbles.

    Process in hot water bath for 10 min - adjust for altitude, I'm at sea level.

    You can dress these up using red and orange bell peppers. These are very pretty and can be gifted.

    You can turn up the heat by adding hot peppers to taste - just remember to preserve the acidity. Leave out some of the bell pepper if you plan on adding a lot of jalapeno. Hot relish is great with purple hull peas and catfish.

    Yea, I'm a southerner.

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    Cylinder, you seem to (none / 0) (#17)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 06:48:55 AM EST
    know a whole lot about pickling.  Do you have a trusted recipe for pickled okra?  I pickle green beans, peppers, and cukes, but I've never had enough okra to bother pickling them.  It looks like we're going to have a bumper crop this year, though, and Mr. Zorba is speaking fondly of the pickled okra his mother used to make.  Which he does not have the recipe for.
    The recipe for the squash relish looks great, by the way!  I'm going to have to try it.

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    Pickled okra (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Cylinder on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:02:15 AM EST
    Granny took her pickled okra recepie to the grave. [Insert shovel joke] This is what I've worked out which is a pretty generic recepie. She added whole peppercorns (~4 per pint) to hers. I seem to prefer to omit them.

    3 lbs whole okra washed and trimmed
    2 tbs dried dill OR ~12 sprigs of baby dill
    3 cups water
    3 cups white vinegar (again 5% only please)
    4 tbs pickling (non-iodized) salt

    OPTIONAL:
    1 whole clove of garlic (no paper please) per pint
    1 dried serrano pepper per pint (split and seed for less heat/leave whole for max heat)

    Prepare water bath. Sterilize 6 pint jars in dishwasher or water bath.

    In a coated pot, add water, vinegar and dry dill. Omit the dry dill if you are using fresh herbs. Bring to a boil.

    Picled okra is cold packed. You add the raw veg to the jar and cover with liquid.

    To each sterile jar, add pepper and/or garlic clove if desired. Add 2 sprigs dill if using fresh herbs. Pack okra into jar tightly.

    Sterilize lids and tools.

    Cover okra with hot liquid leaving 1/2" headspace. Process in hot water bath for 10 minutes.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#28)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 12:36:15 PM EST
    Yes, my mother-in-law took her pickled okra recipe to her grave, as well.   ;-)
    From what I can remember, having tasted her pickles in the past, she made some of her okra pickles with hot peppers, and some without.  Although she did carefully label which was which!  
    Again, thanks.  I know I can get recipes from The Google, but I always like to use a recipe that someone has tried and can tell me about.

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    Happy Birthday Obama, Or Is It? (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by john horse on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 07:00:48 PM EST
    You know if the place that he was born was falsified then why wouldn't they also falsify the date of birth (sarcasm alert).

    He is our manchurian candidate (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 07:19:48 PM EST
    I hope that the birth date best promoting his electability, and then ability to destroy the world would have been carefully contemplated and selected.

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    My Obame birth certificate coffee mug says so (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 08:01:29 PM EST
    And I always trust things sold on the Internet

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    Me too, (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by unitron on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 09:11:56 PM EST
    "And I always trust things sold on the Internet"

    I saw where Mark Twain said you could.


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    And a happy 92nd... (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by unitron on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 09:12:55 PM EST
    ...to Helen Thomas!

    Also 100yrs ago, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by desertswine on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 09:36:16 PM EST
    Raoul Wallenberg.

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    An amazing life and (none / 0) (#68)
    by indy in sc on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:30:54 PM EST
    I was thoroughly surprised to learn that his niece is married to Kofi Annan.  

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    Believe it or not (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 11:03:16 PM EST
    I just saw a commercial from the "Conservative Majority" that said that no one has "seen" Obama's birth certificate and that he has a CT ssn. WTF? And the dems need to get a new candidate. What is wrong with these people? They are really crazy.

    Insanity seems to come with the territory (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 01:11:46 AM EST
    Collective mental illness pervades the entire conservative movement these days.

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    As I like to say, (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 03:15:28 AM EST
    mental illness does indeed pervade the conservative movement.
    On the other hand, liberals have become centrists, and centrists have become conservatives.

    So, if A=B, and B=C,

    they're all nuts.

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    These Days! (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 02:33:01 PM EST
    They've always been nuts.  The difference in the past 3 decades is that they have power and have become bold enough to put it all on display.

    What shows now has always been there.

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    A Mitt TV Ad (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 10:35:21 PM EST
    playing in Florida manages to talk Salt Lake Olympics and 9/11 in one sentence. He does know it's 2012 right?

    IMO, (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:13:17 AM EST
    any politician using 911 in a campaign ad should be treated with universal derision.

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    I saw that one the other night (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 09:13:14 AM EST
    Poor Mitt, no real connection to the glory of 9/11 except its proximity in time to the 2002 Olympics. It was a stretch, but he had to do it to keep his GOP membership card.

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    forgot my snark tag above (none / 0) (#58)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 09:16:13 AM EST
    I forgot how long it has been since Rudy, Bush, and then McCain were saying 9-11 every other word.

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    One of the greatest lines ever (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 09:30:22 AM EST
    "a noun, a verb, and 9/11"

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    Curiosity (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Cylinder on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:35:02 AM EST
    Curiosity is on the surface of Mars with telemetry. Oddessy is making egress.

    Woot woot!

    Anybody have this in your 401K? (2.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:44:44 AM EST
    Carbonite's CEO David Friend conceded on a conference call that dropping Limbaugh deeply hurt the company's earnings.

    "It turned out to be a bigger hole in our revenue than we had thought when we initially did this," Friend said on a conference call on August 1.

    In fact, as Jacobson wrote, Carbonite's 2nd Quarter 2012 results shocked analysts, causing the company's stock price to plummet by 15% in one day.

    Link

    As usual, only half the facts (5.00 / 6) (#20)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 09:05:49 AM EST
    That's the big disadvantage when you have a spokesperson making crazy/offensive statements.  You get hurt whether you drop them or stay with them.

    At the time, Friend released a statement condemning Limbaugh for calling Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute" due to her advocacy of birth control.

    "No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady," the statement read in part. "Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency." ...

    But he stood firm by his choice, saying, "I'm not regretful of the decision, I think things would have been worse had we not done that."

    Link.

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    How much value would Carbonite ... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 09:43:09 PM EST
    ... have lost, had they stayed with Limbaugh?

    Personally, I tend to not pay too much attention to paid celebrity spokespersons if I like the product, unless they get out there and do or say something obnoxious and offensive as to be totally off-putting, as was the case here.

    Then, I tend to not patronize those companies that enable such repulsive behavior on the part of those who speak for them. Further, I don't vocalize my intention to boycott said company, I just quietly take my business elsewhere -- and I imagine a lot of others do the same. I don't do business with known bigots if I can help it.

    The current Chick-fil-A controversy is rather fascinating to watch, if only because I find it rather inexplicable that a corporate president / CEO would willingly risk a potential alienation of a substantive portion of his customer base like that, by offering such inflammatory statements about the GLBT community and same-sex marriage. Dan Cathy has every right to hold those beliefs personally, but I'm not sure how shareholders and customers are ultimately going to feel about him spouting off like that in his executive capacity.

    Given that Chick-fil-A doesn't have a presence in the islands, I'm not going to volunteer what I'd do because it's essentially meaningless. And that silly "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" was essentially a one-time publicity stunt, so you can't really use that to project a long-term economic outlook. But it will be interesting to see if Cathy's statements will eventually prove to have a detrimental impact on the company's bottom line in, let's say, six months to a year from now.

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    To be transparent (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 09:38:04 AM EST
    I'll note that my comments re Limbaugh's comments were that they were bad, nasty, etc.

    But even Bill Maher said their shouldn't be an attempt to silence him.

    And I have seen nothing that indicates that the companies who stayed with him have increased or decreased their sales.

    Will Carbonite recover its losses? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Its product appears vulnerable to technology changes that will do the same thing much cheaper. Plus, we have no way of knowing how many future customers will never purchase because of the comments of the CEO.

    But, if you were invested in Carbonite and needed your money at that time, you lost 15% of your profit.

    Chick-fil-A is somewhat different. It is a private company and although the owner's comments may be disagreeable to many and what he spends his money on may be disagreeable to many there is no evidence that the actions of the company is anything but proper and correct.

    Plus, in the case of Chick-fil-A, we have elected officials saying, "You can't come and do business in my city." That is scary and I suspect was the principal driver behind the support shown on 8/1.

    People are fearful of more government in their lives.

    As to why Friend or Cathy did what they did I think it is a simple case of not thinking of the consequences.

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    My suscipions differ. (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:48:17 AM EST
    The principal driver was not so much support for the right for Cathy to publicly speak out on his anti-gay feelings as it was to publicly support his anti-gay message.  But, maybe this is a re-awakening for the first amendment and we can look forward to protests against FISA and the Patriot Act's potential interferences in their lives-- with these first amendment advocates heading to the offices of public officials, chicken sandwiches in hand.

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    Lesson learned (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Yman on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:59:31 AM EST
    You shouldn't advertise with blowhards who make idiotic, sexist comments.  If you cancel your ads, some of the people who like the blowhards will be mad and stop purchasing your product.  If you don't cancel your ads, you'll lose sales from the vast majority who are offended by your support of such comments.

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    The first admendment (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:58:45 AM EST
    protects your right to free speech but not the consequences of said speech. You apparently don't want Limbaugh to be held accountable for what he is saying. You know, people have a right to not like what Limbaugh said. As a matter of fact Limbaugh is beyond disgusting. But that being said, the GOP defending him only hurts the GOP so in the end I could care less.

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    Baseless predictions (none / 0) (#67)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:37:43 PM EST
    "Plus, we have no way of knowing how many future customers will never purchase because of the comments of the CEO."

    You're right, Jim. You have absolutely no way of knowing that. You also have no way of knowing how many might go ahed and purchase the product precisely because of the CEO's comments.

    Trying to predict what might happen is a fool's errand. Sometimes people choose to do the right thing simply because it's the right thing, regardless of unknown financial results. The CEO made it clear that the action he took was based on doing the right thing.


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    Jared Loughner's Tues. hrg. (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 12:52:18 AM EST
    changed to hrg. for change of plea:  WSJ

    Men's singles tennis final (none / 0) (#21)
    by Cylinder on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 09:49:38 AM EST
    Murray is dominant early 6/2, 6/1. Federer went over an hour on Centre Court without winning a game.

    Murray over Federer (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Cylinder on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 10:16:32 AM EST
    Murray (GBR) wins gold in straight sets, 6/2,6/1,6/4.

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    How can one not be thrilled for Murray? (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Anne on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 12:17:35 PM EST
    It's hard not to like Federer, but to see Andy win on "home" court to the joyful noise of the crowd was just electrifying.

    Really glad I watched it!

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    IThe match was on at 3:00 a.m. out here. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 09:48:22 PM EST
    I was happily snoozing away while Andy Murray was busily dismantling Roger Federer. To have done so in the Olympics in front of the home crowd, and only four weeks to the day after losing the Wimbledon singles final to Federer on the same court, must've been the thrill of a lifetime for him and felt like sweet redemption.

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    I was thrilled with Murray's win. Yeah!! (none / 0) (#24)
    by Angel on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 11:42:44 AM EST


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    Hate to say it (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 03:02:40 PM EST
    But I feel like Roger kind of let him have it. That was the worst Federer has ever played, IMO. Ever. Great day for Murray tho, I'm sure he is overwhelmed. As he should be. Nice to see.

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    No way! Federer has been pretty vocal about (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by vml68 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:09:46 PM EST
    how much winning the Gold meant to him, so I just cannot see him giving it away. I am a huge Federer fan and am always rooting for him to win, but he played like crap today. I think the match with Del Potro definitely took a toll on him. I am glad Murray won today.

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    Nah! (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 09:53:56 PM EST
    Let's just say that the stars were in alignment for Andy Murray, he was playing at home, and it was simply his day. Personally, I think Federer's long semifinal match with Del Potro must've taken more out of him than anyone realized.

    That's the beauty of sports, and like they say, "On any given day ..."

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    Ah ha. Let's see if Armando opines (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 03:32:34 PM EST
    Federer threw the match.  But it's ok cause . . . .

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    Saving Israel (none / 0) (#22)
    by Politalkix on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 10:05:51 AM EST
    NYT link

    That restroom leg syndrome (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 11:52:54 AM EST
    of former Republican Senator Larry Craig is, once again, in the news. Craig has filed documents for the dismissal of a federal lawsuit by the Federal Election Commission that seeks repayment of $217,000 in campaign money the commission claims he converted to personal use by spending it on his defense after being arrested for "wide-stance" related sex in a men's room at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport. The former US senator from Idaho argues that the money tied to his bathroom trip fell under his official, reimbursable duties because he was traveling for work. He cites a Senate rule in which reimbursable expenses include those for meals, lodging, cleaning of clothing and bathrooms. It is not clear if the centerpiece of Craig's argument relies on expenses incurred on or off the site of the arrest, In my view, on site arrest costs would seem to be a weakness of his defense unless he can show that inordinate charges exist for pay toilets at the airport.

    More senseless killing: (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:11:44 PM EST
    Sikh temple shooting

    So far, our Sikh friends and colleagues (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:34:13 PM EST
    are okay.  One was going to go to the temple today but, at the last minute, had to cancel.  Her friends, however, went ahead. . . .

    So many of us are so worried, waiting for more word.  

    One of my colleagues, a warm and lovely man, widely respected at my workplace, where he went out of his way to make me welcome decades ago and always has the warmest smile for me -- and anyone -- whenever we often cross paths, is a founder of the temple.  

    We keep hoping to see him on the tv screen, as we watch all three local channels for many hours now.

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    Your friend will be in my thoughts, hoping he is (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Angel on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:02:59 PM EST
    safe.

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    Thank you. Still waiting . . . (none / 0) (#39)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:15:43 PM EST
    and although the FBI -- this is now under their and the DoJ's authority, as it is categorized as domestic terrorism -- is not providing names of victims, a few names have surfaced from survivors.  So far, our friends (I have found out about another friend who goes to that temple) have not been on that list.

    Media also know the name of the shooter, but also are not releasing it, as FBI still -- after two hours or more, waiting for utilities to be cut off, waiting for FBI humvees and ambulances, etc. -- are not inside the shooter's home.

    It's a couple of blocks from the temple.  It's a flat rented just a few weeks ago, by a military vet from North Carolina who just came to town, rents near the temple, then attacks it.  

    This is not good.  Attacks on Sikhs have been on the rise across the country. . . .

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    FBI jurisdiction is not necessarily based (none / 0) (#40)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:30:27 PM EST
    on "domestic terrorism."  It could be civil rights -- obstruction by force of the free exercise of religion.  If the violation results in death, it can be a capital offense, even though Wisconsin state law does not authorize a death sentence in any case.  18 USC 247(d)(1).

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    To be clear, then, the FBI reports (none / 0) (#46)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 10:56:01 PM EST
    to the media that the incident has been classifed as domestic terrorism.

    Sorry if I'm not as clear as could be.  This has been a long day -- and it's not over yet, here.

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    And yes, correct re no death penalty (none / 0) (#47)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 10:59:18 PM EST
    in Wisconsin, and proudly so, since its very start as a state in 1848.

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    From evening news reports... (none / 0) (#50)
    by heidelja on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:55:15 AM EST
    ...on NBC & CBS the FBI is calling it "domestic terrorism"! The factors indirectly cited have been that the unnamed shooter was Caucasian and the religious leader reported local Sikh businesses had been receiving threatening calls.

    Nonetheless, shouldn't it be seen that such an early call for what it is as being premature?

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    The label allows the FBI to step in (none / 0) (#53)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:16:11 AM EST
    which is welcomed in Oak Creek, not a sizeable community with a sizeable force.  (Many nearby police, sheriff's, fire, etc. had to assist at first.)

    If it's not domestic terrorism, then the FBI will step out again.

    But as the shooter was not a member of the temple, not a Sikh or Hindi, and it was aimed at a religious gathering, it does meet the definition, so far.  (And the authorities know a lot more than they're saying as yet about the shooter.)

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    Please keep us posted. (none / 0) (#41)
    by Angel on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 09:30:30 PM EST


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    How soon will it be... (1.00 / 1) (#51)
    by heidelja on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:01:50 AM EST
    ...before the "liberal media" is reporting the shooter with a German surname in Wisconsin to be a neo-Nazi?

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    He's from North Carolina (none / 0) (#52)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:12:19 AM EST
    we're told, but could have German heritage, I suppose.

    We don't have his name yet here.  You do?

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    Wade Michael Page (none / 0) (#55)
    by Politalkix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 08:16:04 AM EST


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    Correction: Family is from Colorado. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:01:37 PM EST


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    A German surname ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Yman on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 08:07:49 AM EST
    ... isn't going to cut it.  There are enough problems with media reporting ... no need to imagine more.

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    About the same time (none / 0) (#56)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 08:30:45 AM EST
    FOX argues it as a SYG case because victims were wearing a Dastar.

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    The Southern Poverty Law Center (none / 0) (#61)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:01:27 AM EST
    leads the list of organizations confirming that they have longtime evidence that Page was a white-supremacist, neo-Nazi.

    And, as many on this blog are Coloradoans, sources also state that Page migrated to Wisconsin from Colorado -- just like Wisconsin's Governor Walker.

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    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (none / 0) (#62)
    by Politalkix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:22:34 AM EST
    has reported more on the gunman. link

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    There will be much more info any minute (none / 0) (#63)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:42:10 AM EST
    now, from the FBI's presser.  I'm watching it.

    The FBI is looking for someone else on the scene afterward, as well. . . .

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    Wearing a kirpan to a gun fight: (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:20:51 PM EST
    link

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    Statements of Pres. Obama and (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:24:06 PM EST
    Mitt Romney: NYT

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