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Perry Out: Stop Mitt Movement Coalescing?

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:30:00 AM EST
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This could be the first domino to fall:

Rick Perry is telling supporters that he will drop his bid for the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday, two sources familiar with the plans told CNN.

Jed asks who Perry will endorse. I say no one for now. [I'm wrong again, he is endorsing Gingrich. Proving yet again that Perry has no clue when it comes to national politics. If by some miracle Gingrich wins the nomination, the GOP will lose a landslide. Perry wants credit for that?] the key point here is with Newt surging in South Carolina, if he has a strong showing, Santorum would be next to drop out and that would set up the much awaited Mitt v.the non-Mitt battle in Florida. I think the Not Mitt forces will make their last stand there.

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    So, God is now... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:47:22 AM EST
    0-3.  Not a very good track record for the omnipotent one.

    that's not even accounting (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by CST on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:48:19 AM EST
    for football.

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    Careful! (none / 0) (#47)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:52:25 AM EST
    Someone (not God) seems a bit cranky this morning--he might just ban you--or call you stupid.

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    Whaddya mean (5.00 / 5) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:19:27 AM EST
    Not God?

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    calling me stupid (none / 0) (#50)
    by CST on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:03:52 AM EST
    I can handle.  I have an unhealthy level of high self esteem.

    Just don't ban me!

    Maybe it will help if I mention that Hernandez and Spikes were Gators too?

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    I read this morning... (5.00 / 0) (#51)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:06:25 AM EST
    that Tebowing is old and busted and Gronking is the new hotness.

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    hahaha (none / 0) (#53)
    by CST on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:08:25 AM EST
    I loved that video.  It's really stupid but it's pretty funny.

    My DAD IS NOT A CELL PHONE.

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    Unless someone is going to make a (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:36:41 AM EST
    case that a significant number of Republicans will not, under any circumstances, come together in support of the eventual nominee - whether that is Romney, Gingrich or Santorum - it will all come down to watching Obama's numbers in response to the relative up-or-down poll numbers of the GOP field, and reaching some kind of consensus about which one of them has the best chance against Obama.  Because that is their ultimate goal.

    I still think it's going to be Romney, because Obama's record, one that includes so many of the Bush policies, his itch to bring in an era of austerity, and my latest favorite - his indistinguishable-from-GOP-dogma jobs council proposals -  will make this a "hey - me, too!" contest - and as many have pointed out, if Republicans are given a chance to vote for a Republican, or a Democrat who governs like one, they will vote for the Republican every time.

    Just please, if there is a God, don't let me have to see Rick "Ted Baxter" Perry on my TV or radio as any kind of political analyst.  Please.

    Why do you hate Ted Baxter? (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:58:29 AM EST
    He was funny.

    And again on Too Close for Comfort.

    Jeez.

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    Ted Baxter spoke better than Perry (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:11:58 AM EST
    He was just as bright and not as stumbling :)

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    I liked Percocet Perry (none / 0) (#148)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 06:06:19 PM EST
    the day he was in NH talking about "live free or die, bring it".  I thought "this guy I could listen to, at least he's funny".

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    I prefer congeal to coalesce (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Dadler on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:00:08 AM EST
    Better captures the creepy and slimy physicality aspects (though Rick Perry's hair products have more holding power than epoxy, their political abilities remain primitive):

    "Congeal: Solidify or coagulate, esp. by cooling: "The blood had congealed into blobs"."

    Here come the blobs.

    What about curdle? (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:14:37 AM EST
    The beginning of cheese, sometimes cheddar :)

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    Here come the blobs of cheese (none / 0) (#73)
    by Dadler on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:43:01 AM EST
    Much better.  

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    I think cheese would be - and should be - (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:14:08 PM EST
    insulted.

    Perhaps we could think of it more like a yeast infection?

    Oh, brother...now I'm just grossing myself out.

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    I was going to type that (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:55:02 PM EST
    I was...I was...and then I thought nawwwwwwh....you can't type that :)  Guys are just getting to where they can talk about tampons, you'll scare them all to death and mute.

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    Not as much as the candidates (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:08:35 PM EST
    have grossed us out.

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    I'm still trying to get over (none / 0) (#131)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:56:09 PM EST
    the image of the 'Mitt Movement'

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    eeewwww (none / 0) (#142)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:15:13 PM EST


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    A Letter from Mitt Romney (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:01:17 PM EST
    "About My Finances"

    Dear American People:

    Over the past several days, my personal finances have been distorted into a grotesque caricature by the mainstream media, pundits, and other people who can count.  I am writing to you to set the record straight by explaining my finances in terms the American people can relate to.

    Let's say you bought a bottle of Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1982 for $5,000.  A couple of years later, what do you know, you sell that same bottle for $10,000.  So you just made a profit of $5,000 through your own hard work.  How much of that should you pay to the government?  I'd say fifteen percent.

    Now let's say you have a fellow mowing the lawn at your 7,000 square foot home in La Jolla, and he turns out to be an illegal.  You say, "No way, Jose" (Jose is actually his real name) and send him packing.  He doesn't deserve his full paycheck, since he lied to you in Spanish, but it wouldn't be fair to give him nothing, either.  So you pay him fifteen percent.

    Now let's pretend the United States of America is like.............. (more...)
    Ericson (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:37:56 AM EST
    have been writing about this

    Perry, however, has a potential trump card up his sleeve as he rebuilds political capital. It's simple: he can drop out today, and endorse someone else. Doing so today, before the CNN Debate tomorrow, gives the news time to sink in.

    But who to endorse?Mitt Romney makes no sense. Rick Santorum makes no sense either.
    Then there is the man who wrote the introduction to Fed Up!, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.
     With Newt Gingrich surging according to the latest Rasmussen poll and Sarah Palin saying she'd support him, Perry's withdrawal and endorsement before Saturday could ensure a Gingrich win.
    and lets not forget (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:40:58 AM EST
    the "won the first two contests which no one has ever done before" is about to go away.  just announced Santorum can now claim to have won Iowa.

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    So can Romney - it's a tie (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:58:28 AM EST
    As I said in another thread - at least, according to the Iowa Republican Party, but what do they know?

    There are too many holes in the certified totals from the Iowa caucuses to know for certain who won, but Rick Santorum wound up with a 34-vote advantage.

    Results from eight precincts are missing -- any of which could hold an advantage for Mitt Romney -- and will never be recovered and certified, Republican Party of Iowa officials told The Des Moines Register on Wednesday.

    SNIP

    Expect the Santorum campaign to try to leverage today's news into extra momentum, strategists said.

    "It will be a story and Santorum will seize upon it, but it won't change the current political narrative," said John Stineman, an Iowa Republican operative.

    Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, is still battling Newt Gingrich, and to a lesser degree Rick Perry, for the conservative base, Stineman said.

    Even if Santorum had been the big headline on Jan. 4 as the Iowa winner, "it certainly wouldn't have changed how New Hampshire came out, nor (Romney's) status as the national front-runner," Stineman said.



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    More evidence, above all (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Towanda on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:55:54 AM EST
    of why Iowa caucuses ought not matter at all, run by the parties, and this one conveniently can't account for or even find all of the precincts' results.  (Not that the other party did any better, according to DMR reports in 2008.)

    Ridiculous process to pick a nominee for president.  

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    2008? (none / 0) (#78)
    by MKS on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:15:02 PM EST


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    "Niagara Falls! Slowly I turn . . . " (none / 0) (#143)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:16:29 PM EST


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    I was counting down (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:02:42 AM EST
    to that comment

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    Yours are predictable as well (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:04:17 AM EST
    Look over there!  

    'Bout on par with screaming "Sarah Palin"! to deflect on actualities.

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    I agree that statistically it's a tie, but this is (none / 0) (#44)
    by Farmboy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:34:40 AM EST
    Sparta! - excuse me, this is politics. You don't get ties.

    If finishing eight votes ahead for Mitt was a Oh My Gosh, Lookit Me type win, then Ricky coming in 34 votes ahead deserves a Get Out The Marching Band, We're Having A Parade Down Main Street party. With clowns.

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    Dumb (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:59:25 AM EST
    I was thinking the same thing, when Mitt has fractional lead, he wins.  When the Mad Dog winds up with a larger fractional lead, they call it a tie.

    And what is up with Iowa, they don't have an actual recount, yet they recalculated the vote totals weeks later ?

    For a state that takes pride in predicting winners, they sure have problems figuring out who that winner is.  And to further cloud the issue, when it's close, they just call it a tie.

    What a joke the Iowa Caucus has become, now I better understand why modern America went to the primary system.

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    The Iowa GOP caucus and the Iowa Dem caucus (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Farmboy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:00:14 AM EST
    are two completely different beasts, with completely different procedures.

    The Dems use an actual caucusing methodology where people stand for support of their candidate, heads are counted to determine percentages, and delegates are appointed for those candidates to go on to the next level of the process (county, then state conventions). Yeah, it's weird, with roots going back centuries, and I'd prefer a primary for access reasons. On the other hand, I think the aspect of having to take a public stand for someone you support is true open democracy.

    The Iowa GOP does a secret ballot - names are written on a slip of paper and placed in an envelope. The slips are counted and results sent to the party. It's more of a limited time-window primary than a caucus. Evidently the screwups this year were in the recording of the count, and being unable to hang on to the slips for the "recount".

    I'm probably beating a dead horse ;-) but lumping the two caucuses together is like referring to all sports teams in New York as being the same. Try congratulating a Knicks fan for beating the Packers last Sunday, and you'll see what I mean.

    Despite the media hype, neither Iowa party's caucus has a good record at predicting the eventual nominees during contested campaigns. It's the "first in the nation" status that draws all the attention, despite the inability of the caucuses to pick the nominee, and I for one would be happy to see another state go first.

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    interesting (none / 0) (#149)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 06:19:22 PM EST
    I think the aspect of having to take a public stand for someone you support is opening yourself up to public bullying and coercion.

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    i think so too (none / 0) (#152)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:16:35 PM EST
    there is a reason why democracies use the secret ballot

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    You can call it a tie (none / 0) (#65)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:05:49 AM EST
    Or flaming cheese, if you prefer - it doesn't matter.  Romney got the storyline and will get the votes of the Iowa delegates at the convention and Rick Santorum will be allowed to give a speech at 2 pm on Monday of the convention - to be covered only on CSpan.

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    And now Santorum got an apology (none / 0) (#107)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:25:47 PM EST
    'Understand that the Iowa Republican Chair has issued a publiic apology to Santorum.  I'm sure Santorum will publicize it further at the debate tonight.

    We are all going to need a follow-along script real soon.

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    There's no political strength (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:42:57 AM EST
    to crowning Gingrich king.

    He'll lose in a landslide.

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    you make that sound like (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:50:06 AM EST
    bad thing

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    It is (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:51:20 AM EST
    if you're Rick Perry. Of course, maybe Perry realizes that he's done as a national political figure and doesn't really care.

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    If you are a Republican it is (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:51:33 AM EST
    Would you be thankful to the guy who crowned the landslide loser king?

    What's Perry's upside here?

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    Going with the group (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:47:40 PM EST
    Palin  & the other $$$ folk.  Limbaugh joins in too.

    My guess is that, with Romney's weaknesses starting to glare so much via his own tin ear, the beating a retreat move is a maneuver with an unusual alignment of the "personality" types.  And now?  A choice between Gingrich (with wronged wife number 2 after she once wronged wife number 1 and so on...with Bill Clinton now maybe bemused as spectator) and Romney (with off shored multiple$$$in the Caymans ...except he ain't gonna look like Tom Cruise in The Firm; it'll be the bad guys that are called to mind.).

    Maybe Perry sides with the Tawdry Sex Scandal over the Firm's Nasty $$$ Scandal...since the latter is more threatening to all of them.  

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    I think Ericsons (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:54:21 AM EST
    argument is pretty good for Perry long term political capital.  besides who is he going to endorse? not Romney.  Santorum would appear to be a waste of time.

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    Endorse no one (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:57:44 AM EST


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    too late (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:03:04 AM EST


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    Well sure (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:05:25 AM EST


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    If Newt gets the nomination... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Addison on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:28:32 PM EST
    ...Perry can claim to be "next in line" for 2016. That's the upside, I guess.

    The other upside is that Newt can help him with his 10th amendment focused gravy train with speeches and forewords and rhetorical ammo and all that. Making the 10th amendment a big issue to position Perry as a leading light of the movement conservatives instead of a Pawlenty.

    Of course I don't think Newt is going to be the nominee, so Perry's decision to endorse him instead of no one is a miscalculation from his end. He gets nothing, Newt gets a ton (although not enough).

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    but seriously (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:52:49 AM EST
    I honestly Newt should not be underestimated.  I also tend to think he would lose (possibly in a landslide) but he also has strengths with, for example, the base that Romney does not have and would never have.  I think Romneys problem with the base could ultimately be as serious as Newts problem with the middle.

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    Newt's a clown (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:57:12 AM EST
    Other than Trump or Herman Cain, Obama could not pick a better opponent.

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    And to top that (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:00:01 AM EST
    off, Newt does not have the self discipline to run for President. He will have shot himself in the foot and blown himself up numerous times before the polls even open in November.

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    Newt engineered (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:01:52 AM EST
    a republican takeover of the house for the first time in, what, 50 years. the contract with america is a conservative touch stone.

    do not underestimate Newt

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    come on. Newt did not engineer that (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Buckeye on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:27:03 PM EST
    energized repubs swarmed the mid term elections recoiling from Clinton and a dem controlled congress.  Same thing they did in 2010.

    Newt got eaten alive by Clinton.  He has zero political acumen.  His personal life is a total disaster.  His policy positions are absurd.  He has one attribute as a politician (and only one), throw rhetorical red meat at the base.  That gets good applause at repub primary debates, but in a general election he gets anniliated.

    Obama would not have to leave the White House to beat him.  

    Romney is a different story.

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    honestly I think in this case (none / 0) (#156)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 21, 2012 at 04:24:06 PM EST
    it is less important if he did or not than if most republicans believe he did.  and they absolutely do.
    and I actually happen to think that without him it would not have happened whatever else you think about him he was the face of the party for the contract with america.

    fwiw this is from usnews in a piece about Nancy:

    Pelosi is as responsible for the Democratic takeover of the House in 2006 as Newt Gingrich was for the Republican takeover in 1994. Each of these speakers went around the country and sought out strong candidates to run for office in swing districts. They each raised millions in campaign funds to help fledgling politicians. Gingrich received a ton of applause for his work. Pelosi has yet to be recognized for hers.


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    Yes (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:04:18 AM EST
    and he promptly got in a fight with the Big Dawg and got creamed. He's not that bright.

    That being said I hope he doesn't win the GOP nomination because there is a chance that he could win the presidency simply based on the economic condition of the country right now.

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    you know (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:12:14 AM EST
    I was watching the Susan Molinari anti Gingrich ad and it struck me that the arguments she was making, that is the "bad" things she was saying Newt did as speaker, did not seem - thinking as a republican - to be all that bad for a potential president.  watch them with that in mind.

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    I've Several of His Co-Worker Ads.. (none / 0) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:06:28 AM EST
    ...and even though the press is saying that's what killed him in Iowa, I don't get it.

    Their 'bad points' seems to be a commonality in all national republican candidates since GWB.  Nothing in them I can't find as a pro in your average conservative forum.

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    The Achilles Heel? (none / 0) (#116)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:03:54 PM EST
    Newt is a good debater and sloganeer.  I would not underestimate him either. Yet, with all his ability to recognize group grievances, political wants, & foibles ( mayhaps because he has so many of his own),  what I really like about him--since I'm such a Dem--is his pattern of causing his own collapse as he crests.  While we may underestimate his fight, he seems to overestimate himself with costly self-congratulations & hyperbole  & the undoer of so many, lack of discipline.  Flambouyant gets him there...and it does him in.


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    That Newt is a clown shows (none / 0) (#75)
    by MKS on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:11:55 PM EST
    how desperate the Republicans are....

    Romney is taking on a lot of water.....The offshore money in the Caymans is just another leak in a very leaky boat....

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    If you look (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:56:43 AM EST
    at the polls, the base problem is less of a problem than the middle problem for the GOP. There are a lot of people who will vote for whoever the GOP puts up whether it's Romney or not because they are basically voting against Obama.

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    Perry's endorsement (none / 0) (#74)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:57:05 AM EST
    May have little effect anyway, at least that's what Nate Silver postulates:

    As I did previously for Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., I looked at the second-place choices of Mr. Perry's voters as reported by Public Policy Polling in the surveys it has conducted since Christmas. About 500 of Mr. Perry's supporters were interviewed during this period in polls of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, North Carolina and Texas.

    Among these voters, second-place support was about evenly divided among three candidates: Mr. Gingrich was listed by 22 percent of Mr. Perry's supporters as their second choice, but Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney were each listed as the second choice by 20 percent of Mr. Perry's voters. Ron Paul had the support of 12 percent, while 26 percent picked another candidate or were undecided.

    And ya gotta love Newt calling his ex-wife "bitter".

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    Bitter? Bitter? (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:29:35 PM EST
    I can't imagine why she might be just a wee bit bitter, considering.  OTOH, when you marry a guy who has committed adultery (with you), I guess that you shouldn't be entirely surprised if he sleeps around again.  Fair warning to Callista, by the way.    

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    I bet she knits too. (none / 0) (#92)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:37:34 PM EST


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    LOL! (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:03:48 PM EST
    The only knitting I would be doing if I was one of his ex-wives (particularly his first one) is a shroud for Newt.  Either that, or I would be knitting his name into my work while cackling "Guillotine!  Guillotine!"    ;-)

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    You made me laugh out loud... (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by sj on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:58:34 PM EST
    ... again!

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    Just call me (none / 0) (#144)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:17:34 PM EST
    Madame Defarge.   ;-)

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    SHOULD have said (none / 0) (#155)
    by sj on Fri Jan 20, 2012 at 11:56:00 AM EST
    "Madame, you made me laugh out loud, again!" because I totally got your reference. LOL

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    I was thinking (none / 0) (#146)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:33:09 PM EST
    of another use for a knitting needle if my husband told me what Newt did.

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    Jbindc, you may have been (none / 0) (#147)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:52:32 PM EST
    watching too many horror or crime movies.  Yes, a knitting needle stabbed into your eyeball, or into the base of your skull, angled up into your brain, should cause a whole lot of damage, and most probably death.  (Note to any federal or local police snooping here:  this is only purely conjectural, and I am in no way advocating this!)

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    Oh (5.00 / 0) (#150)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 06:37:28 PM EST
    I was thinking that I would put the knitting needle...... Lower than his head or neck.,....

    :)

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    Hahahaha! (none / 0) (#151)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 06:49:01 PM EST
    Well, there is that, too!  ;-)

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    But the endorsement plays into a narrative (none / 0) (#76)
    by MKS on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:13:37 PM EST
    True, Perry can't deliver his voters to Newt...

    But it gives the appearance of momentum.....

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    Kind of like Perry - at least until he (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:19:40 PM EST
    opens his mouth - giving the appearance of intelligence?

    Seriously, Perry makes George Bush look like a member of Mensa.

    Which means I have no idea what that says about the state whose voters elected both these men - to multiple terms in office.  I know the governor of Texas does not have the same kind of power, or the office have as much importance as the position has in other states, but still...it really just defies understanding.

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    An Evangelical Cowboy (none / 0) (#94)
    by MKS on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:42:33 PM EST
    who bashes Washington D.C.?  Are you kidding?

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    Is that.... (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:35:11 PM EST
    NEWTonian physics?

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#79)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:17:23 PM EST
    But I think people are giving way too much power to a Perry endorsement. Dropping out matters, sure. But it is hard to imagine that his endorsement carries much weight.

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    From my (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:27:53 PM EST
    unscientific survey on facebook it doesn't do anything but make the people who are already voting for Newt happy because they think it might help him.

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    Hee hee - well, they are going to be needing (5.00 / 0) (#90)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:34:05 PM EST
    some joy juice in the coming months, so if they want to get it there, fine by me.

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    Wind that back: Santorum "won" the (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:46:38 AM EST
    Iowa caucus by 34 votes, apparently.  Not a case of better later than never, but it will be used to blunt  the Mitt the front-runner in South Carolina by the most implausible candidates.

    Go, Rick! (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:24:10 AM EST
    Please, please be the Repub nominee!!

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    Well (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:50:20 AM EST
    what I don't see is where Gingrich goes after he wins SC. I mean you know FL better than I do but I don't see Gingrich doing all that well there.

    Whoever told Rick Perry that he should run for President should be forever banned as a political consultant if the GOP had any brains.

    I think it is over (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:53:15 AM EST
    Perry was the only one who could beat Romney.

    Gingrich? Really?

    This is suicide for the GOP.

    I thought dropping out was fine. Make some quiet brownie points.

    But to endorse? nuts.


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    with all due respect (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:55:32 AM EST
    I think Eric Ericson may have a better sense of the republican pulse that either you or me.

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    Rick Perry was his guy (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:56:24 AM EST
    How's that for pulse taking?

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    actually I dont (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:59:32 AM EST
    necessarily mean winning.  I said pulse of the republicans not the country as a whole.  IMO this wont hurt and I would guess will help Perry with his long term standing with the base.

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    How's Perry doing with Republicans? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:04:37 AM EST


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    I defer to eric (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:08:57 AM EST
    Rick Perry's campaign has come to an end. But he could leave on an unexpected high note -- helping conservatives unite around one not-Romney in a way no one else has been able to. Rick Perry could be the catalyst and kingmaker so many have been looking for, even as other conservatives have stood by, unwilling to endorse in the face of long odds.


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    Crowning Newt (none / 0) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:14:50 AM EST
    is a low note, not a high note.

    Sort of my point.

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    and I would agree (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:18:24 AM EST
    but - thank the gods - we are not republicans

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    I think Republicans will agree (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:19:14 AM EST
    if Newt the Nominee ever comes to pass.

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    I hope you are right (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:22:03 AM EST
    and I think you are right.  but some tiny little part of me way down deep is waving the red flag to say we should not underestimate Newt

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    When one considers (none / 0) (#133)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:59:07 PM EST
    Who might  actually represent the present-day Republicans these days--from one percenterdom to shiny Teapartyers  & from the unflinching Evangelicals to the fringe Me Mine and More of Mine Libertarians--bellow Newt Gingrich. Yep...the other day he started nudging up to the gold standard group.

    I'm kidding & very much not kidding in saying that--at first--Newtie would paint a starker picture about modern conservatism.  So many have asked for that kind of in-your-face discussion. With "Newt the Historian" there wouldn't be pretend compassion or gauze.  Heh, heh...was it called A choice not an echo?"

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    Yes. Standing before god and country (none / 0) (#132)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:58:15 PM EST
    and proclaiming Newt to be the best choice for POTUS....wow.

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    Erik Erickson (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:58:14 AM EST
    thinks that Perry is a great candidate even after all this time. So much is that worth?

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    he is absolutely right about one thing (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:00:25 AM EST
    it could push Gingrich right over the top.  which is all people like him care about.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:02:34 AM EST
    but I think Gingrich being a southerner helps him more than anything in SC. Perry just seems to be a nonentity.

    And I know Santorum isn't going to win because of his religious beliefs.

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    EE is a dumb dumb (none / 0) (#85)
    by Buckeye on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:28:27 PM EST


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    Perry could have beaten Romney? (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 08:59:48 AM EST
    Really?

    Perry's so far down and no one has taken him seriously since at least Halloween.

    Maybe he could beat him in arm wrestling.

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    In Iowa (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:04:06 AM EST
    And that might have decided the race.

    Perry was completely inept of course but he was the guy with a shot.

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    If that's True... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:22:32 AM EST
    ...who are the people who gave him that chance in SC going to choose, not Romney IMO, and although he didn't have to endorse anyone, the endorsement carries votes.  And maybe he did something that apparently is crazy in modern day politics, endorsed the person he thought would make the best President.

    I think the point a few people are missing is that people like me will vote for the person they like, and will not vote for the best chance at winning.

    No offense, but there are several people who really push the voting to win spin.  And I think they are projecting that mentality onto a lot of people who disagree.  

    I will not be voting for Obama to keep the other guy out.  I will be voting for the person who I think will make the best President, even if it means Obama loses.  I suspect there are many republicans who feel the same about Mitt, that he hasn't earned nor does he deserve their vote.

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    Too bad, Newt is so much better (none / 0) (#31)
    by BobTinKY on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:04:53 AM EST
    at demonstrating to even the most casual of observers just how nightmarishly horrible today's GOP is.

    The WSJ says he's endorsing (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:13:59 AM EST
    Gingrich

    Yep (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:18:34 AM EST
    I was wrong again.

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    Don't feel bad (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:25:36 AM EST
    You were wrong only because you attempt to be intelligent and rational. You keep forgetting those factors are not at work in these decisions.

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    I would say (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:17:40 AM EST
    tonights debate just became must see teevee

    Eh (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:18:16 AM EST
    Not by me.

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    Can't Do It... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:24:14 AM EST
    ...but eagerly awaiting the morning highlight reel already.

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    Okay (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:33:06 AM EST
    Nonscientific study of friends who are lunatic GOP voters seems to show that they are worried about Ron Paul holding Newt back. I guess it's the "anybody that takes votes away from the anti-Romney" way of thinking.

    Newt's followers are his worst advocates. This might the only thing that he and Obama have in common.

    just saw some republican (none / 0) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:47:05 AM EST
    guy on teevee being asked what the thought about the "open marriage" comments by the former Mrs Gingrich.

    his answer: I think Newt has a very bitter X-wife.

    I think this is a predictable response.

    also I just heard Herman Cain may endorse Gingrich.
    so with Stephen Colbert saying a vote for Herman is a vote for him do Colbert voters now vote for Gingrich? I am getting a headache.

    I heard a commenter ask on CNN (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:02:39 AM EST
    How will Newt demand that all of us get out of his bedroom when he demands to be in all of ours :)  Especially if you are LGBT. I love all this.  It's better than ice cream, hand me a spoon......these phucking stark raving mad hypocrites :)

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    This (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:11:06 AM EST
    will fry some evangelicals brains. Better get out the popcorn because people like James Dobson are going to have a field day with this piece of news.


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    This is great stuff for Santorum.....ewwww though (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:26:50 AM EST


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    Ha ha, they were talking about this on (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 11:32:12 AM EST
    the news and then played Wonderwall as they cut away to commercial.  I wouldn't really know this song that well except I had a teenager recently.

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    It Came Out in '95 (none / 0) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:39:45 PM EST
    damn, that song really reminds me of a bad relationship, so bad to this day I do not like the band.
    _________

    Evangelicals are about telling other people how to live, when their behavior is the same, "they were weak, the devil made them do it, blah, blah,blah...".  For some reason, they are the only ones susceptible to this, the rest of us are immoral heathens that should burn in hell.  And although Newt isn't technically one of them, he's as close as they are going to get this election if they want any hope in having influence in the White House in 2012.

    She might even shore up some support if she comes across as the vindictive, bitter, ex-wife.  This could easily backfire on her, and I can't say I disagree.  It's long ago, unless she has something beyond the relationship he/she said non-sense, there is no reason she should have air time.  And if she doesn't watch it, she is going to give Newt a real gem, '...and that's why I left her'.  

    It could very well paint Newt as a reasonable man in an-unreasonable relationship, instead of the philander pig.

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    He's been a philanderer pig twice though (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:01:01 PM EST
    two sick women, the whole nine yards twice.  The first wife shuts up because she has daughters in this soup.  I'm a mom, that's how we roll when we share DNA.  You don't kill off your own offspring so things that are 1/2 of horrible people often make it possible for the horrible parent to get a pass when that is the last thing they should get.

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    but as he said (none / 0) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:03:31 PM EST
    this really is not news.  and as far as the righties getting their collective panties in a wad.  I dont think so.
    Newt has been saved and transformed by the baby jesus.  
    his surrogates are already out pushing this.  "this was many years ago, Newt is a different person, he has asked for and received gods forgivness, blah blah, blah blah"
    and besides she just looks angry and bitter (their words not mine)

    unless she has actual locations of actual buried bodies I do not think this is going to amount to much electorally.  

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    The effect (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:16:07 PM EST
    that something like this will have will be on the larger electorate because the evangelical movement will have been exposed for what they are--just a bunch of hucksters who are using religion to better themselves and tell people what to do while not following any of that advice themselves. By endorsing Newt they are going to be shown to be a complete bunch of frauds.

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    How can you be worthy of redemption though (none / 0) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:13:18 PM EST
    while cursing the Obama, and the poor people, and black people, and brown people....NOT CHRISTIAN, NOT AT ALL.  I think the Christian aspect is going to go down in flames this year.  Mostly because of something called the internet that you cannot persuade to simply ignore certain things.

    My Facebook today clearly demonstrates all this.  Not one single comment on anything though, that's okay...we are all just getting warmed up here :)

    I know a lot of the New Testament though, I know lots.  I used to have to memorize a whole chapter every month and repeat it back.  Can you believe what a heretic I turned out to be?  I know what Jesus said though, and these people are not followers of Jesus :)  I think they are going to hear about that this year more loudly and clearly than they have ever heard before :)

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    you may know the new testament (none / 0) (#119)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:19:22 PM EST
    by heart but you clearly dont know much about republicans.

    fwtw
    their entire definition and construct of christianity is not christian at all. IMO of course.

    and everyone is worthy of redemption is IMO a valid point of view.  but via republican thought especially if you think he will say nasty and insulting things the the president.

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    They never get called out on that though (none / 0) (#125)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:27:45 PM EST
    Not ever in the past!  The Press stays out of such fights, the internet does not have to and can finally antagonize.  My daughter has decided for now that she is a Christian.  That's fine, but I know what a Christian is.  She said something really horrible about someone the other day and I told her that wasn't very Christian :)  I can't help it, don't parade it around if you can't live it :)  

    Muslims need to do this too.  Just because someone says they are a Muslim when they preach hate, it isn't okay!  Come on Muslims, call these assholes out...call them what they are...remind them of what the Koran really says.  I'll call out what I understand though.  I'm good with it and it's time has come!

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    all true (none / 0) (#128)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:42:14 PM EST
    sadly the downside of freedom of religion is that it is what they say it is.  as it is for scientologists and the acolytes of the flying spaghetti monster.

    at least for them.

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    You can't claim Christian morals though (none / 0) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 09:58:26 PM EST
    And not have them.

    Well, no you can.....but then someone can take you to the woodshed for it.  It's woodshed time.

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    But, the times, they are a changin': (none / 0) (#154)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:29:32 PM EST
    LAT

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    amount to much electorally (none / 0) (#122)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:22:50 PM EST
    btw
    I actually think the Romney economic news has the potential to be far for consequential.

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    He's really getting hit (none / 0) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:28:25 PM EST
    I don't like it though this early.

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    like the bain stuff (none / 0) (#129)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:43:23 PM EST
    I think its good.  the more republican attacks Obama has on video the better IMO.

    and I think Newt is going to hammer him about this tonight.

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    ps about tonight (none / 0) (#130)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:45:16 PM EST
    I havent looked at the times but it seems lots of people who would other wise be watching Mary Ann might be watching the debate.  with the recent events I think it might a big audience

    I know its the teevo age but not everyone has one.

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    Questions? (none / 0) (#137)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:33:03 PM EST
    1.  How do you think the dynamic with Santorum will play out at the debates...after the reminder that he did -too win Iowa?

    2.  When I hear about stashing $$$ in the Caymans, I think of The Firm (the book & the movie.). Since I recently read that Republicans prefer mysteries with the smart good man like Castle, etc etc. I don't think that Romney would get the Tom Cruisr role, tho...do you?  (Probably from never having been on or near Caymans, it seem exotic in a money-laundering way.   BTW, that really was my reaction.)


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    with the Perry endorsment (none / 0) (#139)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:51:07 PM EST
    and Palins support I honestly think Santorum is pretty irrelevant and unless he catches fire will probably drop out after SC and clear the field for FL.

    on the other.  cant wait till the debate for this and Newts confessional come to jesus (again) moment.

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    on Santorum (none / 0) (#140)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:57:12 PM EST
    Karen Santorum Attacked For Abortion Doctor Relationship

    flyer text

    "Did you know Rick Santorum's wife, Karen, had a six-year affair with an abortionist named Tom Allen?" anti-abortion activist Elizabeth Reichert writes in the letter. "This abortion doctor was 30 years her senior! In fact, he delivered her as a baby! The only reason they broke up was that Karen wanted kids -- while Tom was busy killing them."

    welcome to SC.  where politics is nuanced.

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    And my daughter is an audiophile (none / 0) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:40:50 PM EST
    This was the song booming out from under the door whenever I had once again failed her :)

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    What the heck is this post about? (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 10:59:47 AM EST
    I thought the Republican primary was irrelevant.  Must be a slow sports day :)

    We watched Perry's speech as a couple this morning, and yeah....what Perry understands about national politics isn't much.  I'm not certain about his understanding of Texas politics either.

    I liked how Newt could be someone worthy of redemption and that belief was central to Perry's Christian faith, but that God Damned Obama is the Devil I tell you :)  Obama is Satan in an American's stolen clothing :)  And I guess that belief must also be central to Perry's "Christian" faith.

    Then we watched Newt's speech and Newt said he appreciated Perry's well spoken words or something like that and my husband couldn't believe Newt compared Perry's speech to well spoken words.  Perry seems very forgetful or something, his speech was slow and stumbling.  My husband demanded to know though if candidates really do just make crap up constantly like that in front of the cameras?

    MT, Obama cannot find redemption (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:24:44 PM EST
    until he admits he is a secret Muslim, and repents. I'm sure they will line up behind him then.

    Kind of like the old witchcraft tests - if he is thrown in the river and drowns, he is not a witch.

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    You're right (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:52:58 PM EST
    That was a "test" used by "Christians".  I'm getting forgetful too these days.  Newt looks like he has boobs though, how does he get a pass on taking the witch test?  Especially when you are man with boobs, that's just so suspicious.

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    Have you seen my governor? (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:39:51 PM EST
    Chris Christie?

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    Man-boobs (none / 0) (#105)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:18:17 PM EST
    Eeeewwww!  That alone should disqualify him from any consideration whatsoever.  Well, okay, not just that.  His hyper-inflated ego, anger, and many lies should have done the job, man-boobs or no man-boobs.

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    Hey (5.00 / 3) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:25:07 PM EST
    maybe the perfect spokesperson for the manzier has arrived!

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    He would do it for enough cash (5.00 / 0) (#109)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:31:28 PM EST
    No doubt.

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    Don't you mean (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 04:33:07 PM EST
    the Bro

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    "Moobs" (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:37:19 PM EST
    Or, in this case, "Newbs"

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    Two new polls (none / 0) (#84)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:28:13 PM EST
    PPP & Insider Advantage both put Gingrich on top in South Carolina.

    Romney has to be wondering what the hell is happening.

    He should have been spending the last 4 years (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:30:13 PM EST
    trying to get the GOP to rearrange the primary schedule.

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    Three days ago (none / 0) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:51:39 PM EST
    they were talking about a Romney sweep of the first three states. With Iowa results now official for Santorum, it's highly possible Romney is now looking at losing two of the first three.

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    Have you heard if Rubio and Rick Scott (none / 0) (#89)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:31:24 PM EST
    have endorsed anyone? Or Jeb Bush?

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    Good questions (none / 0) (#95)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:46:00 PM EST
    Here's what I could find.
    From the Orlando Sentinel..."Scott, whose low popularity numbers have left many observers wondering if he would offer an endorsement, and if anyone would want it."

    Rubio nothing. My guess is Rubio sits on the sidelines unless there is a huge benefit for him... nothing less than a guaranteed spot on the ticket?

    Jeb nothing. Wouldn't you think Jeb has nothing to gain and everything to lose by endorsing?

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    Wouldn't Jeb and Marco (none / 0) (#97)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:50:41 PM EST
    Wait until right before the Florida primary to endorse for the greatest impact?

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    Jeb gets nothing (none / 0) (#100)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:50 PM EST
    by endorsing anyone. A GOP loss this year is his maximum benefit moving forward.

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    I read (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:12:19 PM EST
    where Scott endorsed Santorum but I'm not sure if it's right.

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    Makes sense (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:30:30 PM EST
    So it sounds like the FL GOPers will be left to their own devices with no guidance from their local heros!

    This will be fun.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 12:48:48 PM EST
    He could win SC.  But he's still done - TPTB will see Tobit, especially as he has recently said that there would be room in a Gingrich administration for Sarah Palin.

    Hope he enjoys these couple of days.  Stick a fork in him.

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    Three now (none / 0) (#110)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 01:32:22 PM EST
    Rasmussen now has Gingrich on top in SC too, but since I throw Rasmussen out Romney can ignore that one.

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    what an unlucky boy little Ricky is (none / 0) (#117)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:07:00 PM EST
    first he wins in Iowa and someone else is declared the winner then when he is finally declared the winner there is so much other news nobody cares or is paying attention and in fact people are calling for him to clear the field for Newt.

    it enough to almost make you feel sorry for the littlest inquisitor.

    (start countdown to spinning equivocation from jbidc)

    ps for abovementioned (none / 0) (#120)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:21:16 PM EST
    you need to come to terms with the fact I told you Santorum would win Iowa and he did.

    you will be happier.

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    Sure (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:26:44 PM EST
    Just as when you finally come to terms when Romney wins the nomination, as I have been saying fo the last 2 YEARS and you have pooh- poohed and postialted that ANYONE would be nominated but Romney because he's Mormon.

    And Romney will still get the delegate votes out of Iowa at the convention, which is really all that matters.

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    we will talk about it (none / 0) (#127)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:39:11 PM EST
    sunday

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    Yawn (none / 0) (#121)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:22:00 PM EST
    You're so predictable.

    But I actually agree with you.  Bad timing for Rick to get his last 15 minutes of fame  before he rides off in the sunset.

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    as are you (none / 0) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 02:25:11 PM EST
    love

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    The State (none / 0) (#136)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 19, 2012 at 03:25:11 PM EST
    South Carolina's largest newspaper, in a-second-times-a-charm (they endorsed Huntsman last week), endorses Romney this afternoon, after all the craziness that's taken place today.

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