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    MA has a new Senator (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:49:01 AM EST
    I only know him (Paul Kirk) from the Kennedy (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:57:27 AM EST
    tribute the night before the funeral. Seems to be a great choice to me.

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    This article, IMO, (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by dk on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:08:06 AM EST
    contains the critical pieces of information.

    Kirk was registered as a lobbyist a decade ago. He was paid $35,000 to represent the pharmaceutical company Hoechst Marion Roussel on legislation before the US Senate in 1999, according to federal disclosure records. He is currently on the board of directors of the Hartford Insurance Group.

    [snip]

    Some Kennedy insiders who support Kirk's appointment, though, have argued that Dukakis is too outspoken on health care issues, espousing liberal positions that could complicate Democrats' attempts in Washington to moderate their approach on the legislation
    .

    Gotta love that second paragraph particularly.  It's as galling as it is unsurprising.

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    I don't understand why the emphasis (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:27:25 AM EST
    seems to have been on what Kennedy would have wanted, and not on what the people of Massachusetts need.

    Because God forbid there might be a liberal voice in the Senate who would ruin the Democrats' attempts to pass the mediocre legislative gruel that is currently on the Congressional stove.

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    The Kennedys probably (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by dk on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:33:18 AM EST
    did want Kirk, but the dispositive thing was likely that Obama/Axelrod wanted Kirk over Dukakis.

    They are playing up the Kennedy angle to the story because they are hoping it may make it more palatable to the people of MA (most of whom, by the way, have no idea who Kirk is), than the angle that Obama asked Patrick to pick Kirk over Dukakis because Dukakis might be "too liberal."

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    I don't really like the idea of the (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:14:15 AM EST
    Kennedy family ruling the day re interim appointment. But I don't live in Massachusetts.  Also, I thought Ted Kennedy's widow would be a good choice.  

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    I live in MA (none / 0) (#18)
    by dk on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:17:21 AM EST
    and, while I know this whole thing doesn't really matter since it's just an 4 month interim appointment and that it won't really effect the passage/nonpassage of Obama's awful healthcare plan one way or the other, it's still annoying.

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    Also an unnecessary public (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:19:56 AM EST
    diss of Dukakis.  

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    Good points all (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:50:49 PM EST
    Iz was just thinking in terms of it being an interim appointment until January when the voters get to decide. Makes sense to me to have someone as much in sync with the man they elected (Ted Kennedy) as possible.

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    aids (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:49:48 AM EST
    Maybe it's sorta working (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:50:55 AM EST
    I think the statistics say that there's a non-zero chance that these results could be from random chance.

    I await further study.

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    yeah (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:55:25 AM EST
    it should have said "aids vaccine?"

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    It's an experiment-- (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:16:43 AM EST
    There's always a non-zero chance that it's the result of randomness.  I think the report that I read said there was about a four percent chance that the reduction in HIV infection rates between the groups with and without the vaccine was due to chance.

    But, important to note that the reduction in infection rates wasn't to zero, it was from 74% to 51%. So, still a lot of work to do.

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    The promsing thing (none / 0) (#34)
    by Fabian on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:58:40 AM EST
    is that all previous HIV vaccine trials have been great big duds.  With any luck, we'll be able to figure out what went right with this attempt, in order to refine it.

    I don't know if we have a single vaccine for ANY retrovirus, let alone HIV.  Retrovirii excel at stealth and what the immune system can't detect, it can't react to.  I wonder what they are doing to trigger the immune system.

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    Mark McGwire and steroids - new angle. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:05:46 AM EST
    Remember how McGwire got all sorts of grief for using andro (a steroid) during 1998 when he hit 70 home runs?  All the baseball people got down on him after a tub of the stuff was seen in his locker, even though it was quite legal under baseball's rules at the time.  (It has since been outlawed under baseball's rules.)

    And then there were steroid hearings in Congress, and indictments in the BALCO case and all the other stuff.

    Well, it turns out, as discussed in a specialty magazine for insurance underwriters, that the real story is quite a bit different.

    McGwire had bad ankles.  He wanted to insure them, kind of like a pianist will insure his hands or a dancer their legs.  Makes sense - you can't play baseball (and can't make money) if you're ankles are a mess.

    The normal insurance policy would not cover them - i.e., excluded them - because they were such a mess.  So, he had to get a special policy to insure what had been excluded.

    Think of it this way.  Your car insurance will not cover you if, say, you want to drive your car for business.  That's an exclusion.  You want to drive your car for business.  You have to buy an additional policy to cover the exclusion, i.e., driving the car for business.

    You get the idea.

    Well, McGwire and his folks got Certain Underwriters at Lloyds to come in to write a specialized policy.  This article sets it out in a lot of detail.  From the article:

    In these cases, Mr. Thomas said, finding a carrier can be difficult. There are a fair number of underwriters who write sports disability insurance, he said, but far fewer "who have the expertise and appetite for tougher exclusions to body parts. Not a lot are comfortable covering that."

    To write these kinds of policies, the exclusion language must essentially be inverted, Mr. Thomas said. Underwriters will typically apply "very broad exclusions" to the body part in question. When writing back the exclusion, Mr. Thomas said it is possible to continue to exclude some conditions considered impossible to insure while still giving back a lot of coverage.

    These types of policies are not cheap, Mr. Thomas said. While noting that in many cases the initial exclusion is often "more broad than it needs to be," he said there is still a reason the exclusion was put in place, so it is costly to write coverage back.

    In one interesting story about this type of policy, Mr. Thomas talked about insuring Mark McGwire's problematic ankle during the baseball player's epic 70-home-run season with the St. Louis Cardinals in 1998.

    Mr. Thomas said a lot of medical details had to be vetted before Lloyd's underwriters would consider writing a policy. Details included exactly how the ankle is strapped, types of orthotics used and any anti-inflammatory medications taken.

    One substance used by McGwire at the time--androstenedione--was part of the regiment that Lloyd's said should be maintained to help Mr. McGwire recover.

    At the time, the substance was not on Major League Baseball's banned substance list for performance-enhancing drugs, but it has since been added and is considered a "steroid precursor." And so, as Mr. Thomas noted, "something that was the start of all the steroid [discussions in baseball] was part of the underwriting interest for this policy."

    In other words, Mark McGwire was required, by the terms of the policy of disability insurance covering his ankles, to use the andro which has made him a poster child for steroid use in baseball. If he had not used the steroids, he would not have been insurable.

    Kinda changes things, don't you think?

    Interesting (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:12:39 AM EST
    Changes things in that it shows McGwire just doing what he had to do to play at all.

    On the other hand, if he is physically unable to play without performance enhancers, even if the performance enhancer is just a by-product of the 'medicinal purposes' substance....couldn't that be true of plenty of people?

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    Players can be exempted.. (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:14:50 AM EST
    from the ban on performance enhancers in cases of medical necessity.

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    Changes nothing to me... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:13:10 AM EST
    but I never gave a damn what ballplayers imbibed.

    The "outrage" was and always will be comedic, imo.

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    What does it change? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Samuel on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:15:10 AM EST
    Do you mean like he may have had no idea it was helping with the HRs?

    The stuff was legal at the time either way.  Athletes do all kinds of stuff to improve performance - there's no clear ethical line on the issue.  The rules allowed it.  

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    What does it change? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Samuel on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:15:19 AM EST
    Do you mean like he may have had no idea it was helping with the HRs?

    The stuff was legal at the time either way.  Athletes do all kinds of stuff to improve performance - there's no clear ethical line on the issue.  The rules allowed it.  

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    All I can say is (none / 0) (#16)
    by vicndabx on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:16:02 AM EST
    WOW

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    Maybe the Cardinals will place (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:18:07 AM EST
    the already sculpted statue of McGuire in front of Busch Stadium.  Ready and waiting.  For what?

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    Waiting for the BBWA (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:00:42 PM EST
    to give McGwire the Hall of Fame Stamp of Approval.

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    Segue: stamp of approval. (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:12:48 PM EST
    Here's today's "word a day":

    wordsmith

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    Yup. Every book, publication and so on (none / 0) (#46)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:30:30 PM EST
    one sees in a Catholic institution is going to have both the nihil obstat and the imprimatur, and both of those have real names appended to them.

    In other words, accountability.

    Something our government could use a lot more of.

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    Amazing. News to moi. Thanks, (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:59:19 PM EST
    Martin Luther.

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    Wouldn't that statue p!ss off .. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ellie on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:49:58 AM EST
    ... the one of Bob Gibson?

    Ever true to its subject, it's so badass it's the only known statue in existence without even a trace of pigeon sh!t.  

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    I love those statues. So animated. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:10:35 PM EST
    That Gibson statute (none / 0) (#47)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:30:54 PM EST
    has fabulous movement to it.

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    Najibullah Zazi (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:39:26 AM EST
    I just like saying that.

    Check out how... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:53:35 AM EST
    the other half lives, the tunnel people of Vegas.

    I hope The Sun didn't blow up their spot.

    Glenn Beck (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:10:54 AM EST
    is seriously due for an intervention.

    even if the frog was fake.

    Acorn (none / 0) (#20)
    by Slado on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:18:26 AM EST
    Amazed this hasn't been brought up from either angle.

    Does the suit against the filmmaker have merit?  

    Seems Acorn has more to loose during the trial then some kid with a video camera.

    The guy who has a legitimate suit (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:30:03 PM EST
    is the guy who lost his job with ACORN, he (barring at will employment) seems to have grounds for both a suit against ACORN and against the filmmaker- given that he was only playing along in order to gather information to turn over to Law Enforcement Officials and in fact did so soon after the taped segment with him ended.

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    I'm amazed... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:27:36 AM EST
    its a story...community activists can't help people who they believed to be members of their community get a mortgage anymore?  Whats wrong with that?  The only thing the ACORN workers did wrong was not throwing the bums out once they started talking about minors...other than that its much ado about nothing.

    I don't know if ACORN should be going after the phonies, it was a low-blow sandbag job, but I don't see anybody gaining from the suit except the lawyers.

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    It's about the Fed funding. (none / 0) (#39)
    by Radix on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:10:32 PM EST
    We don't seem to have a problem... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:55:13 PM EST
    funding DEA and CIA misconduct through the fed, why is ACORN held to such a higher standard?

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    Federal agencies (none / 0) (#54)
    by coast on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:18:13 PM EST
     vs. for profit organzation.

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    I don't really know the why of it, in (none / 0) (#73)
    by Radix on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:46:06 PM EST
    this instance. However, I do know ACORN has to either push back here or lose Fed funding. This is why I believe they're going after the film guy.

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    Acorn: (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:51:08 AM EST
    the RW paranoid meme-talking point that no one on the Right or the Left ever even heard of until this past year.

    Yet suddenly they're the Illuminati and Elders of Zion rolled into one.

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    So true. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Fabian on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:10:53 PM EST
    I listened to On Point (because Greenwald was going to be on) when they discussed the ACORN hooha.   The main guest was all "ACORN bad!  Fraud everywhere!  Kill their funding!".  Other people did manage to point out that ACORN was trying to help the underprivileged, neglected and abandoned citizens and no large organization was without problems but the dominant narrative was "ACORN! Bad!".

    If you read between the lines, the point was that ACORN was not part of the beltway/big money crowd and their willing pawns so any evidence of wrong doing should be used to not just punish, but hopefully destroy the organization.  Mere corrective action was not enough.

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    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Wile ECoyote on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:45:04 PM EST
    and if this was someone like the Christian coalition there would be yawns here.

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    Not really, consider that (none / 0) (#38)
    by Radix on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:09:47 PM EST
    Congress passed a law making ACORN unable to receive fed funding, there by, in all likelihood, closing them down.

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    Whoops (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:29:17 PM EST
    The congressional legislation intended to defund ACORN, passed with broad bipartisan support, is written so broadly that it applies to "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things.

    In other words, the bill could plausibly defund the entire military-industrial complex. Whoops.
    ....
    Lockheed Martin and Northrop Gumman both popped up quickly, with 20 fraud cases between them, and the longer list is a Who's Who of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors. HufPo

     

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by cawaltz on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:47:13 PM EST
    I'm not going to be crying in my soup over that one. Heehee.

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    Me neither (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:06:49 PM EST
    In fact, I'm ROTFLMAO

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    Very true, the law of unintended (none / 0) (#74)
    by Radix on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:47:47 PM EST
    consequences strikes again. That fact remains, unless ACORN does something, here, they will shrink considerably or close down.

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    However the players union... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:49:45 AM EST
    wants to handle it is fine by me, all I know is its none of my business, and if I don't like it I don't have to buy tickets.

    If the underlying, short-term (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:04:46 PM EST
    "performance enhancing" mindset wasnt extending from the Major Leagues to grade school classrooms these days, I'd tend to agree.

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    Pittsburgh sounds panicked... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:51:36 AM EST
    by the expected G20 protests, importing extra mercs and what not...link.

    No profanity please (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 11:57:31 AM EST


    Sure. (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Samuel on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:04:30 PM EST
    " A better way to save them $100 a month is to send them a check.  Without sending a $20 check to the private insurance companies."  EXPLAIN PLEASE!  No?  ...how embarrassing.  

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    Im not real up to speed (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:13:08 PM EST
    (no pun intended), but how have so many football players seemingly been getting away with this for so long?

    Where's the Union protection for the aspiring H.S or College lineman who dosnt wanna use human-bovine-primate growth hormone, or whatever it is they're using these days?

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    Thanks a lot Uncle Sam... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:59:21 PM EST
    as if it wasn't hard enough to find quality hashish stateside, you had to go and make it harder.  Remind me why am I paying you people?...:)

    No sense crying over spilled milk, I'm sure the customs official's replacement is being corrupted as we speak.

    it really is the end times (none / 0) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:11:54 PM EST
    Killer rabbits attack snakes

    A PAIR of rabid rabbits has been caught killing a series of snakes near Cairns.

    For three weeks Armando Del Manso believed his dog was responsible for the dead snakes showing up with teeth marks all over them on his East Barron property's lawn each morning.

    But it turns out it was a pair of rampaging rabbits killing the snakes.

    video of rabbit attacking snake

    Are they... (none / 0) (#55)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:18:45 PM EST
    related to this rabbit?

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    Beat me to it. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by coast on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:23:35 PM EST
    Silly rabbit.

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    ha (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:25:32 PM EST
    but seriously it is rather disconcerting to watch that video of the rabbits killing a (big) snake.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:43:02 PM EST
    That was one big (and FAST!) snake.

    Ick.

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    Watership Down. The Sequel. (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:43:36 PM EST
    this time (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:48:33 PM EST
    its personal

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    Some rabbits can get... (none / 0) (#66)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:39:45 PM EST
    do they still (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:22:10 PM EST
    have the giant rabbits on teletubbies?
    I have not watched in a long time.

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    So can (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:25:29 PM EST
    some babies

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    Highly venomous snake, that (none / 0) (#75)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 05:26:37 PM EST
    King Brown is. It's the snake I recall most often being responsible for the bite deaths that made the news when we lived in Australia.

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    Buried treasure, anyone (none / 0) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 02:32:46 PM EST
    LONDON - An amateur treasure hunter prowling English farmland with a metal detector stumbled upon the largest Anglo-Saxon treasure ever found, a massive seventh-century hoard of gold and silver sword decorations, crosses and other items, British archaeologists said Thursday.

    One expert said the treasure found by 55-year-old Terry Herbert would revolutionize understanding of the Anglo-Saxons, a Germanic people who ruled England from the fifth century until the Norman conquest in 1066. Another said the find would rank among Britain's best-known historic treasures. link



    Ch- ch- ch- ch- (none / 0) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:25:46 PM EST
    CHIA!!!!

    Get yours today!

    Link

    Saw the ad for the first time on TV.  I thought it was a joke....

    I have seen that several times (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:31:45 PM EST
    I think its on one of the locals when I try to catch the weather.

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    oh (none / 0) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:32:15 PM EST
    and in the PC dept one of my coworkers had one and was told to take it home.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#72)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:27:17 PM EST
    your co-worker can replace it with a Chia Abraham Lincoln?  Or Washington? Or maybe the Statue of Liberty?

    I guess I'm insensitive because I saw the Chia Obama along the lines of the "commemorative plates"....figuring the koolaid drinkers would like the Chia as much as the other commemoratives.  I saw it as cashing in on Obama, not as any of the other less politically correct interpretations, whatever those happen to be.

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    I thought every celebrity.... (none / 0) (#69)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:49:33 PM EST
    not quite the equal of the Mr T chia head.

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    Rumor (none / 0) (#68)
    by Wile ECoyote on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:46:54 PM EST
    out there that Biden hired Col. Gaddafi's speech writer.

    It scares me, where your rumors come from :) (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 07:47:26 PM EST
    Children's Tylenol Recall (none / 0) (#76)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 05:43:28 PM EST
    Apparently, it isn't being broadcast widely.

    I've been ticked all day (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 09:04:21 PM EST
    I don't have an I.E.P. for my son and his elementary school.  I have agreements with them, and things have been wonderful as far as the administration goes and the teachers....they are all first rate.  And when Josh had his foot surgery last fall his classmates pushed that wheelchair everywhere, they argued over who got to do it.  You know who doesn't respect my son though....other parents.  I have a special deal with Josh's school where I park in a handicap spot on the side of the building and his teacher lets me in a side door.  If you have a child in grade school now you probably know that schools are very locked down now and the only way in is supposed to be the front door.  Joshua has a difficult time walking long distances though so we have come to this solution....and the parking space serves no purpose to anyone but Joshua because it is a block away from the front door which is where any other child would need to enter.  But lazy parents who don't want to be in the car line out in front of the school to drop their children off instead drive to the side and park in the handicap spot.  I'm tired of being an evil b*tch.  What is wrong with grownups these days?  We can fix this too.  We can have this school spend thousands of dollars that it doesn't even have to write the I.E.P. and then have to enact it all to the letter...and some person will probably have to be paid to stand in front of that stupid spot in order to insure that adults act like adults.  It is so effing stupid.  What do I do here?  One woman had the audacity last year to tell me that she was using the handicap spot out front because it was raining.  Look woman, I would sleep in the effing rain for months naked if my child could run or even walk like yours!

    Macy Gray (none / 0) (#79)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 09:53:44 PM EST
    was one of the two first voted off Dancing with the Stars.  I looked in her eyes and I saw.  And then I googled.

    Yep, she suffers from depression. She claims she was "cured," I think she was having an episode this week.  I don't know about you, but I could see it in her dancing.  She wasn't "up to it".

    So sorry to see her go.  She wasn't that good and maybe it was because of the depression. She didn't need to go first.

    That, and the fact she (none / 0) (#80)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 10:47:44 PM EST
    didn't get anywhere near enough practice time while she was on tour. Jonathan was with her, but there still just wasn't enough time. She was rightfully disappointed. There's almost always someone who signs on and doesn't realize it takes a concentrated effort to learn to ballroom dance.

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