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By TChris, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:12:22 PM EST
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For those of you who want to speculate about John McCain's choice of a running mate (in advance of tomorrow's announcement, or perhaps a "surprise" announcement tonight), here's a place to indulge. And here's a tidbit, for what it's worth:

[O]ne top prospect abruptly canceled numerous public appearances. Without explanation, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty called off an Associated Press interview at the last minute, as well as other media interviews in Denver, site of the Democratic National Convention.

Pawlenty would be surprised if McCain picked a pro-choice running mate like Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge. Arizona's junior senator, Jon Kyl, sounds like he would be unsurprised by an unorthodox choice. Will McCain surprise Pawlenty?

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    It will not (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:15:49 PM EST
    be a pro-choice selection.  No way.  McCain did not spend the last several months trying desperately to regain his cred with the far right, only to throw it all away at this point.

    I have an acquaintance who is high up in Republican pro-choice circles (talk about a lonely way to go through life) and they all seem to concur in this.  It's just not gonna happen.

    but what if it does? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:18:46 PM EST


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    then I was wrong! (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:21:16 PM EST
    but until I am wrong, I absolutely guarantee that I am not wrong. :)

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    You are such a quick study I deem you (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:26:39 PM EST
    ready to launch your very own blog.

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    look (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:22:33 PM EST
    I dont really disagree with you.  but it is an intriguing possibility.
    I actually think its possible.

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    for one thing (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:24:31 PM EST
    if its, as you say, totally not possible, whats with all the rumors and the telling republicans all over the country that it could happen and to be prepared.
    I know that has been going on.
    I guess it would make them breath a sigh of relief when he doesnt do it but I cant see any other upside.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:30:50 PM EST
    I think the rumors are mostly about sending a message to moderates that they're not a bunch of hard-right ideologues, even though they are.  And there's always trial balloons just to see how folks will react.

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    the reactions have not been that bad (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:40:08 PM EST
    thats what I am saying.  I have been seeing hard liner after hard liner on FOX saying that considering someone like Lieberman or Ridge would not only be ok, it would be smart.


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    My money (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CST on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:20:16 PM EST
    is on Mitt (not really, I don't gamble, but if I did...)

    If I'm right, I think we need to go right after him on his supposed economic "creds".  Make him out to be the guy who fires you, not the guy who hires you.  Which is pretty much the truth.

    Mitt would be a gift from the goddess! (5.00 / 0) (#19)
    by byteb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:25:41 PM EST
    But I really think McCain can't stand the guy, so I don't think my prayers will be answered for Mitt as VP pick.

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    I call it (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by Jgarza on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:13:25 PM EST
    McMansion Big Love '08
    I'm keeping my fingers crossed, rich and richer.  And what a way to kill McCain being "authentic"

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    I don't want it to be Mitt (none / 0) (#116)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:32:52 PM EST
    but only because he's the most boring pick.  I want someone unexpected!  Outside the box for me.

    Mitt = boring.  Plus he was my governor so I already know all I need to about him.

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    Byteb, please explain (none / 0) (#136)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19:55 AM EST
    why (in closed thread, so I have to ask here) you downrated Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s words.

    A comment that was entirely a quote from MLK, and you downrated it.  With no explanation.  Really, in this country and especially on this blog, it would be more than wise to explain downrating MLK.

    Watching.

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    Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by RedSox04 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:36:43 PM EST
    Relatively telegenic successful (at least that's the perception, even though Fiorina screwed the pooch at HP) woman, with a strong business track record.

    I went to school with Meg Whitman (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:58:51 PM EST
    If John McCain thinks she is one of the 3 "wisest" people he knows, then he is more unqualified to be President than you can imagine.

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    Curious to know... (none / 0) (#68)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:07:14 PM EST
    which school that was?

    And if, as you seem to imply, Meg Whitman is not a bright woman, then what would that say about your intelligence if you're a product of that same school, hmm?

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    I think he meant... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by OrangeFur on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:16:31 PM EST
    ... that from what he saw of Whitman in school.

    My feeling is that people don't tend to accidentally make a billion dollars without some kind of talent.

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    Thank You Helping Me (none / 0) (#102)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:43:11 PM EST
    make my point.

    She may be a Republican, with the same degree qualifications of our current President, but that does not disqualify her for anything.

    And she obviously couldn't have made her billion dollars on talent alone; which I'd assume is the gift of the gab.

    She would need to have some very good gray matter up in the head to hold on to those billions.

    And I've read in multiple places that she's quite the philanthropist as well, having made over hundreds of millions in contributions for various goodwill and community development efforts.

    So that would be mean she also has a big heart, addition to brains.

    Now, before anyone jumps on my back, I feel I should make a PSA: I'm not trying to sell the woman as a Veep; I'm not a Republican, never have been, never will be.

    So while I may not be a Princeton/Harvard graduate like the person who posted that he went to school with Meg Whitman, I am intelligent enough to realize she is not dummy as she's been made out to be.

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    Don't get carried away. (none / 0) (#114)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:28:58 PM EST
    1.  I never said she's a dummy..but no way she can be one of 3 "wisest."

    2.  I work on Wall Street, where the saying is "don't confuse brains with a bull market."  She was hired as CEO by the eBay founder in 1998, a perfect time to get in on the dot com bubble.  Her major strategic move there was to buy Skype for $3 billion, which had to get written off by 50% within 2 years.  Other than that, she was great boosting the stock with the Wall St analysts.

    3.  I never said she wasn't a nice person who gave lots to charity.  That's just not a presidential qualification.


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    Now THAT (none / 0) (#38)
    by CST on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:40:59 PM EST
    Would get the news cycle to pay attention.  And voters.  Lieberman might be the MSM's favorite "outside the box" pick, but I doubt voters will think so.

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    Biden said to the PA delegates today (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:41:34 PM EST
    that without Pennsylvania, they can't win. Tom Ridge would take care of that. If a Republican could not stand for the Dem ticket, they would not stay home. To them it would be the lesser of two evils and facing two Pro choicers vs 1 Pro Life and 1 Pro choice, I think they could overcome Ridge. But we shall see. McCain is having rallys in Ohio, Penna, and Missouri. I think it will be Romney. And Leiberman would be a deal breaker for any party. I hated Gore chose him the first time. Such a weasel. Am I allowed to say that?

    right on (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:46:30 PM EST
    this is why I have been saying Ridge.  if he was being considered Biden gave him a boost.
    and Ridge has been backpeddleing for weeks about this prochoice stance.
    rather like Poppy Bush when Reagan picked him.
    I still think he is a possibility.
    I never really thought Lieberman was.  that would surprise me a lot.

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    Ridge isn't really.... (none / 0) (#47)
    by p lukasiak on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:49:22 PM EST
    ...all that popular here.  He's not hated, but he's not a game-changer either.

    If he's gonna go pro-choice, he might as well go with a woman, and if he's gonna go with a pro-choice woman, Christie Whitman is his best choice.  (yeah, I know about the whole WTC air quality stuff.)  Whitman would put NJ into play, make PA vulnerable, and be a 'game changer' across the board in terms of women voters.

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    I have seen other opinions (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:57:23 PM EST
    on his ability to deliver Penn.
    I dont really have an opinion but he seems like a solid choice to me.
    I think in the end they want to make it about security and he has some cred, however much we might make fun of it, in that area.

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    Ridge's performance as (none / 0) (#127)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:39:17 PM EST
    Homeland Security Secretary was ridiculed.  Remember the color codes?

    I don't think any Republican pro-choice candidate can be nominated. Because such a person is a traitor to the party line.

    But a Democratic pro-choicer who underscores what McShame thinks is his signature strength -- national security -- I could see that happening. And THAT makes me very excited, because I think "Republican Vice-Presidential Nominee Joe Lieberman" is a gift from the gods for Obama. Maybe a few stray pro-choice Republicans will vote for McCain, but Democrats?  Hate Liebertoad.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#132)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:05:55 PM EST
    the only people who hate Lieberman are those that populate the blogs. And who is going to convince the voters that he's a pretend democrat when the leadership in the senate won't do anything about him? Afterall, he got enough votes to keep his seat after losing the primary. He might bring CT for McCain and being pro choice could switch some security moms to McCain's side. I just don't think it's as cut and dried as a lot of people seem to think it would be.

    That being said I don't think he's going to pick him. Looks like Romney.

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    No (none / 0) (#133)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:41:43 PM EST
    People in CT hate Liebertoad too.  The only reason he won was because the GOP didn't run a real candidate. And at this point people in CT feel he deceived them. He'd lose if he had to run again today.

    Who will cross over to McCain because Liebertoad is the VP candidate?  Right wing Christian evangelicals? I don't think so. Working class Democrats?  I don't think so.  He won't get any additional pro-choice voters from putting Liebertoad on the ticket.  He doesn't need Liebertoad to get the Iraq Was a Great Idea vote.  So what does Liebertoad get him?

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    The Jewish (none / 0) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:49:57 PM EST
    Vote? Certain win in FL? Though I don't think that McCain is going to lose FL anyway.

    The evangelicals do like Lieberman from his work on that foundation with Bill Bennett but there are probably better candidates than him. I does reinforce his "bipartisan" and "original maverick" theme though.

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    Ridiculous! (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:46:35 PM EST
    Lieberman is despised as a turncoat by Democrats around the country, including some who SUPPORTED his third-party run. He'd bring out Dems from the woodwork. I doubt he'd carry Conn--polls show him losing to Lamont if their race was rerun, and a few newpapers have even retracted their endorsements of him--little late on that one, fellas. (Mittens at least has a chance of bringing in MA & NH). And a pro-choice VP would torpedo McCain's pandering to the religious "right" over the past few years.

    If he picks Lieberman, I really think he'll lose the elelction. Joementum will probably be the first choice for Sec of State in a McCain admin, which may not be a bad thing--at least they'll have one person who knows Sunni from Shiite.

    just saw this (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:32:11 PM EST
    "Republicans close to the campaign said that the top contenders remained the same three men who have been the source of speculation for weeks: former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and, possibly, Senator Joseph Lieberman, independent of Connecticut."

    if those are really the choices I pick Mitt.

    Will McCain surprise Pawlenty? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:15:16 PM EST
    if he does Obama will have big problems.
    or bigger ones.

    Said it months ago, I'll say it again: (none / 0) (#4)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:18:59 PM EST
    Romney

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    It would drive the right crazy (none / 0) (#6)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:19:25 PM EST
    But picking someone like Olympia Snowe would be an intriguing move, if he really thinks he can get a reasonable percentage of the Hillary supporters.  

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    I think what some may not be considering (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:21:34 PM EST
    is the republican mind.  remember, they fall in line.
    they would grip and moan and whine. but in the end do you seriously think they would stay home or cast a vote that would put Obama in the oval office.
    I dont.  they may hate McCain but they fear Obama.

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    I agree completely (none / 0) (#14)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:22:36 PM EST
    I would actually tune into Rush and Hannity for a day if he picks a pro-choice candidate, lol

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    I agree on the repub base question. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:31:44 PM EST
    And let's cut the bulls*it. I live in the deep south and are surrounded by good ole boy dixiecrats, "reagan democrats" and registered repubs. Let's just say when it comes to Obama, they're scared "half" to death of him. They will come out.

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    More than against Kerry or Gore? (none / 0) (#32)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:32:36 PM EST


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    absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:40:48 PM EST


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    Interesting. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:06:55 PM EST
    I remember an article from a few months ago, in which they interviewed residents of a small town (in a town meeting setting) in Tenn, just after Super Tuesday. Almost all said they would probably vote in the GE for Hillary Clinton--it was right across the river from Arkansas, and Bill had kinfolk there, and was well remembered both as Gov and Prez--Al Gore and his father were also well regarded there. When they were asked about Obama, however, the interviewer was greeted by the most extreme apprehension and antipathy, one woman saying she would never vote for that "racial expletive," and several others nodding. Make of that what you will.

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    I agree.... (none / 0) (#51)
    by p lukasiak on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:56:26 PM EST
    ....and they don't even need to be "dog-whistled".... Obama's complete lack of military/national security credential is "scary" enough for them.  Add in his past "support" for making handguns illegal (it doesn't matter if Obama denies he filled out that questionnaire, any chance that was "believable" went out the window when he said his handwriting wasn't on it -- and it is) and that demographic segment isn't going anywhere regardless whether the VP selection is anti-choice.   (Ask a "pro-life" redneck if they'd rather give up their guns, or pay for their daughter's abortion, and you'll see wallets.)

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    How much more likely would they be (none / 0) (#118)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:40:38 PM EST
    to vote for a Jewish candidate, a woman candidate or a Catholic candidate.  How did Jindal sneak by them?

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    honestly (none / 0) (#120)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:42:07 PM EST
    those are mostly their fathers prejudices.


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    It's even worse (none / 0) (#39)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:41:17 PM EST
    I've been hearing that GOP-aligned megachurches are telling their congregations that Obama is the Antichrist--the literal individual mentioned in the Book of Revalation as ushering in the end of the world. (And remember how popular those repellent "Left Behind" trash-books are--their Antichrist is a handsome, charismatic politician with two foreign-sounding names. That might be enough to sway some weak minds).

    The "extra-chromasome conservatives" (in Lee Atwater's memorable phrasing) may not be wild about McCain, so they're trying to convince them to LOATHE Obama. After the conventions, it's gonna get ugly fast.

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    Along the religious meme... (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:50:38 PM EST
    does anyone think Romney's Mormonism is a negative? I think they will still come out, they hate Obama and what he represents on the surface that much, I'm telling you. Romney would not help, but he wouldn't hurt at the end of the day. Unless some more icky FLDS stories grab headlines...

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    honestly (5.00 / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:55:08 PM EST
    and I live around these people, I think the Mormon thing could possibly be as much of a problem as a mildly pro choice person.
    thats just MO.


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    No (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:02:18 PM EST
    At the end of the day, they don't want a complete Democratic sweep of Congress and the WH.  For them too, it's about SCOTUS.  The evangelicals will come home - even if Mitt is on the ticket.

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    I get the impression (none / 0) (#55)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:57:59 PM EST
    most of the anti-Mormon loons are concentrated in the South, where McCain is currently leading handily anyway--if they stay home, it's no great loss. And Romney as VP could lead to massive Mormon turnout in the West, including Colorado which IS a swing state, thereby torpedoing that portion of Obama's strategy.  So I would say his religion is more likely to help than hurt in this particular election. And Mormonism was raked over by the media (and the vile Huckabee campaign) so many times in the primaries I'd imagine it would be rather moot for most Americans by now--especially given Obama's own religious . . . situation.

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    you could be right (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:05:18 PM EST
    but if enough southerns stay home Obama really MIGHT win Georgia.
    but trust me, for the real Bible Thumpers, Mormonism is just as weird and scary as Black Liberation Theology.


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    Last I heard, (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:08:40 PM EST
    Obama was 25 pts behind in GA. That's a pretty safe cushion for McCain. And that assumes the nutwads DO stay home--if they can whip up enough xenphobia against Obama, Romney may not even matter in that regard.

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    According to Pollster.com (none / 0) (#113)
    by KnightErrant on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:24:02 PM EST
    The latest Georgia poll has McCain with an 9% lead (Rasmussen 8/14). They have Georgia polls as low as 1% difference; the highest was 14% in May.

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    McClatchy did (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:03:03 PM EST
    a poll this week with McCain 56/Obama 31.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#66)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:06:44 PM EST
    But if Mitt is on the table, they will find a way to distinguish the two.  Again - they want to win, and since Mitt would be VP, I think it would make it palatable to them.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:48:44 PM EST
    but they'll still come out for McCain because Romney is not on the top of the ticket but Obama is afterall.

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    Especially if Ga/Zell (none / 0) (#123)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:08:25 PM EST
    has anything ta say 'bout it.

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    Are you (none / 0) (#125)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:20:48 PM EST
    some kind of stalker today or what?

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    Another first for you (none / 0) (#126)
    by jondee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:29:36 PM EST
    no doubt.

    Merely pointing out that in the last few months the sum essence of all your "undecided" posts has been: Obama cant be trusted, time ta git on the winnin' team, folks!

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    Obama (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:02:07 PM EST
    has to convince people that he can be trusted. Supporters like you who attack voters and call them names do nothing but drive people away from him.

    Who's the winning team? McCain or Obama so I can know which one to jump on then. The polls aren't telling.

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    THAT would be interesting!! (none / 0) (#17)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:23:37 PM EST


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    Would Pawlenty really be an unorthodox choice? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST
    I don't know that much about him, but he doesn't seem like he'd be all that bold a choice for McCain.

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    I meant (none / 0) (#30)
    by TChris on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:31:45 PM EST
    that a pro-choice pick would be unorthodox, not Pawlenty.

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    Pawlenty of trouble (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:15 PM EST
    He'd be a good pick.

    though I used to think he'd be a better ick until I saw him on TV a couple of times.  Rather lackluster.

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    and (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:49:03 PM EST
    his ability to win his state is questionable.

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    Yeah - I like your Ridge idea (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:53:26 PM EST
    It does seem like the religious right gave their blessing a couple of weeks ago - pun inteneded.

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    I think Biden would chew him up (none / 0) (#121)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:42:33 PM EST
    in a debate.  

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    Pawlenty (none / 0) (#128)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:48:45 PM EST
    The Republican equivalent of Jean Sebelius. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The Republican Veep is important in a way the Democratic Veep is not.  There is more than the usual possibility that McCain will not serve out his term.  He's 72 years old and he's had cancer several times. The Republican Veep has to be "ready to be president" in a much more immediate way.  So I think that McCain's pick has to be more than a "do no harm" pick. I think that in order to "do no harm" the Veep has to have independent stature.  What does Pawlenty bring to the table on that score?  Nothing, so far as I can see.

    For the same reason, I don't think McCain can afford to go the pro-choice route.  Although it would be amusing to see Liebertoad try to appeal to Democrats.

    Although it would be amusing to see Jon Stewart report on "Republican VP nominee Tim Polenta."  

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    Romney (none / 0) (#5)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:19:10 PM EST
    The Romney family got a security sweep from the SS today LINK.

    Pawlenty canceled interviews today - probably wouldn't do that if he was being tapped.

    Link

    Co-vicepresidency (none / 0) (#8)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:20:04 PM EST


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    Great idea. A female and an African (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:27:19 PM EST
    American.  

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    Clarence Thomas and Ann Coulter (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:28:43 PM EST


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    You mean Dick Cheney will be (none / 0) (#129)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:50:24 PM EST
    staying on to serve with the Mittster or Gov. Polenta?

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    I heard about a week ago that (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:20:18 PM EST
    Pawlenty wasn't even that popular (to guarantee the state) in Minn.,if at all. Does anyone have any insight on that?

    Pawlenty (none / 0) (#63)
    by danmac on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:04:52 PM EST
    As a Minnesotan, I think a Pawlenty pick might actually hurt McCain's chances in the state.  If he were to win with Pawlenty as VP, Carol Molnau, the lieutenant governor and transporation commissioner who totally botched the bridge collapse situation, would be in charge.  This is not something people in the state have overlooked.

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    Hutchison (none / 0) (#15)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:22:55 PM EST
    Doesn't really bring much to the table - no big legislation, and can you imagine her in a debate with Biden?

    It's not going to be another Senator.

    Also heard that she and McCain (none / 0) (#27)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:42 PM EST
    are not particularly friendly, which seems to be the case with this GOP colleagues in the Senate.  

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    Hutichison is out (none / 0) (#71)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:09:01 PM EST
    according to Fox News.

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    What are Portmans' trade policy positions? (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:25:50 PM EST
    The Rethuglicans better watch the thinking they can gain ground on the economy. A corporate head would play into the truth that they are a bunch of ubercapitalist hacks.

    Not Pawlenty. (none / 0) (#23)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:28:18 PM EST
    Too odd a name.

    Rice? McCain-Rice?

    Eh, sounds like a healthy meal choice at MickeyD's...

    LOL (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:33:44 PM EST


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    Oh lord, my former right wing co-workers (none / 0) (#34)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:35:27 PM EST
    would eat that up. Former co-workers, still right-wingers, I should say. Did you notice she got her teeth fixed? That may be tacky to mention but I wondered about the timing. She seems tired of government work, though.

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    Pete Domenici says... (none / 0) (#25)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:11 PM EST
    it will be Hutchinson, but I don't think he's very tight with McCain.

    I happen to think (none / 0) (#31)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:31:59 PM EST
    that Portman would be McCain's strongest pick at the end of the day.  Others laugh at me.

    I can't imagine... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:44:11 PM EST
    ... that McCain could get away with picking Lieberman. A pro-choice candidate like Tom Ridge would be a tough enough sell the party base, but at least he's a Republican.

    I'd pick Romney if I were making the call for McCain. But I think the "hated by John McCain" thing will probably work against Mitt.

    Pawlenty seems like kind of the default choice. If McCain is feeling confident and doesn't feel the need to roll the dice (although apparently he does like to), I think it will be him.

    If McCain picks lieberman.... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by p lukasiak on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:01:31 PM EST
    I'll vote for Obama.

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    me too (none / 0) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:09:30 PM EST
    no question.  and I suspect many feel that way.


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    Yup. (none / 0) (#87)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:21:31 PM EST
    See my post on the subject. If McCain chooses Lieberman, he really IS crazy.

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    I'll be voting based on the tops of the tickets (none / 0) (#99)
    by Romberry on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:39:31 PM EST
    I don't much care who is in the number two slot. I am not on the fence for either of these parties in this particular race. I do see more danger in a unified government when I don't have confidence about which way the leader will lead than I see in a divided government over the next four years, especially with the likelihood of increasing Democratic control of both houses of congress. Even so, I will not be voting for John McCain.

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    Two ways to read that... (none / 0) (#96)
    by Romberry on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:34:07 PM EST
    First, I read it as a pledge. But then I said to my self, "Self, that sentence is fraught with the potential for missed innuendo. Not so fast!"

    I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

    Are you saying that you really will vote for Obama if McCain picks Lieberman, or that you feel safe making this pledge because you are nearly sure that McCain won't pick Lieberman and you hope to the deity that you won't have to make this call, or are you simply saying in a clever way that you find it extremely unlikely that McCain will pick Lieberman and used this as device to express just how long a shot you think this is?

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    Why did they think that? I'll be shocked if (none / 0) (#43)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:44:23 PM EST
    it isn't Romney.

    Yawn. (none / 0) (#52)
    by steviez314 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:57:09 PM EST
    Actually, why not Ridge?

    Look, the base hated McCain only 6 months ago, for McCain-Feingold, Gang of 14, Immigration.  And they support him now by 90%.

    The last 8 years have shown the Republicans have no principles besides winning, so I'm sure they'd make up some mumbo-jumbo about Ridge and fall into line.

    On the other hand, if it turns out to be Meg Whitman,  I will be back here with a much longer post.  I went to college and business school with Meg Whitman.

    I know some people on this site did not think Obama was qualified enough to be President, but I'm telling you, Meg Whitman would be the most unqualified person on a national ticket since I started voting--and that includes Dan Quayle!

    Gee, she always says nice things about you. (none / 0) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:01:00 PM EST


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    Ridge's tenure at DHS... (none / 0) (#108)
    by pmj6 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:00:13 PM EST
    ...was lackluster, to say the least. The color-coded threat levels are about the most memorable aspect of his leadership there.

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    At the time (5.00 / 0) (#111)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:13:24 PM EST
    he was widely considered to be the greatest head of the DHS in its history.  Why, even today, he arguably holds that honor.

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    women economy (none / 0) (#53)
    by jedimom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:57:23 PM EST
    what about picking a woman with economic creds like
    Carly Fiorina or Meg Whitman, one fo them tapped for Secty Treasury I predict right now..

    Sarah Palin would give him a woman Gov, who is a reformer, and pro life and wants to drill....a three-fer

    I think a woman would be a good (none / 0) (#57)
    by zfran on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:00:54 PM EST
    counter to the dem ticket. Hadn't thought of Olympia Snowe. Is she pro-choice or what? Hutchison, who wants to be governor of texas is too close to Bush to pick her, as is Condi.

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    On long shots (none / 0) (#61)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:02:54 PM EST
    There's been some recent underground buzz about Cantor.

    Palin (none / 0) (#62)
    by mudlark on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:04:20 PM EST
    Would be an interesting choice. Young, attractive, solid conservative (blech), anti-choice (ugh), fishes, hunts, played championship basketball, husband works on an oil rig or something. She'd certainly grab the spotlight and inject some excitement into a dull, predictable campaign. I doubt he'll pick her, though, because after all, she is a chick and boyz rule.  /snark.

    Probably Pawlenty or the Mittster (snooze-o-rama).

    Palin... (none / 0) (#84)
    by OrangeFur on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:18:54 PM EST
    ... would be a very interesting choice. I know she has some ethics issues, though I can't tell if they're real or not.

    But if McCain is looking for a bold choice, she'd be perfect.

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    Palin is a very intriguing choice (none / 0) (#90)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:26:38 PM EST
    The issues being investigated sounded worse when they first came out then they do now, but that's just my opinion/reaction to what I've been reading lately.

    It could make her chances tougher though, unless there's a feeling that she'll be unequivocally cleared VERY soon, in which case that could arguably be an asset.  Gives him a chance to flip on ANWR ("I was persuaded by someone who really knows") if he thinks that will get him a few extra votes.

    I have always wondered how many pro-choice women would get behind her for history making reasons.  Any ideas?

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    Palin is my darkhorse pick (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:39:39 PM EST
    The 'ethics' issues are blown out of proportion. It was one firing of a cabinet position that serves at her discretion. The trooper who she supposedly really wanted fired still works for the department and is a creep of the first order. Just do some reading. Word on the street is that she will be cleared very soon and her approval numbers are still in the mid 80's.

    Other than that, which is rumored to be her political enemies taking a shot, she is known as a reformer. She has fought coruption in he rown party already to much fanfare, beating a corupt gov for the position after he failed to listen to her calls about coruption when she was head of another government agency. BTW: when he didn't listen to her she resigned.

    Look her up and it will put the fear of the GOP into you. Her personal story is compelling, she is very popular with the conservative wing of the party, is backed by Gingrich and Limbaugh, is already slated to speak at the convention and has indeed submitted vetting papers. (not to mention McCain's vetting team was seen twice in Juneau) We hear a lot about her here in British Columbia.

    She would help McCain with women (she is a member of feminists for life) and on energy. I like her a lot despite disagreeing with her on much. She is fiesty and doesn't take crap from anyone. If he chooses her we are in trouble.

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    Her love of animal murder (none / 0) (#104)
    by Joan in VA on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:48:24 PM EST
    but may a turn-off to some animal-loving women, though. Maybe Repub women don't care about animals, in which case, she's a winner.

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    Not sure (none / 0) (#106)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:55:08 PM EST
    her hunting would hurt her in the republican party. I am pretty sure it would be an asset in many areas of the country. As would her fishing.

    I could even see her challenging Obvama to a game of one on one in b-bdall. She did play on a state championship team afterall.

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    Ah, but Palin's hunting (none / 0) (#110)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:10:55 PM EST
    is only the tip of the iceberg. She is also the prime mover in the mass aerial gunning of Alaska's wolves which began about a year ago (and the abolition of which was, sadly, just defeated in a state referendum opposed with millions by hunting interests). If exploited properly, this could be an emotive issue in the Lower 48--think of those cute wolf cubs!

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    yes, Palin would be good (none / 0) (#107)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:59:24 PM EST
    but like you state, it'll probably be Pawlenty or Mitt.
    McCain probably leaked Lieberman to get Repubs fully onboard with whoever.

    Obama cemented his Dem base by mentioning Hagel.
    LOL

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    FYI (none / 0) (#64)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:05:04 PM EST
    The McCain "surprise" ad came out a little while ago.

    link? (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:08:56 PM EST


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    Link to McCain "Surprise" ad (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:12:58 PM EST
    here

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    I Think The Man Is A Nutbag (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:28:43 PM EST
    but that was one very classy, and dare I say, admirable* gesture.

    In the midst of the character sniping and political stomping, and whether it's strategically motivated or not, McCain still took the opportunity to highlight the historic nature of Obama's accomplishment to be where he is today.

    Good for both of them!^

    *Just to be clear, I'm referring only to the ad.
    ^Neither of them are getting my vote.

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    I was just about to post a link (none / 0) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:13:45 PM EST
    all class if you ask me.

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    aparrently (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:14:10 PM EST
    he agrees with Jeralyn

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    This is why Democrats (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:45:42 PM EST
    should be afraid, very afraid.  If it's about personalities and not policies the old guy wins.

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    Classy ... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:21:04 PM EST
    but what's with the music?

    It sounds like something that would accompany a New Age meditation video.

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    Obama camp's response (none / 0) (#93)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:31:43 PM EST
        Obama campaign manager David Plouffe -- who did not know the content of the ad until we read him the script -- just told us that the McCain ad is "a very nice gesture. We wish more of his ads took that tone, but it's a very nice gesture."

        Plouffe said the Obama campaign would run a similar ad next week congratulating McCain on his nomination.

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    oooooh (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:33:44 PM EST
    feel the love

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    Is that the one (none / 0) (#73)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:11:05 PM EST
    Where McCain is congratulating Obama?

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    Yup (none / 0) (#79)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:14:36 PM EST
    Not that dramatic, I guess.  The link is in a post from a few minutes ago.

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    Smart move (none / 0) (#83)
    by cmugirl on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:18:41 PM EST
    Hard to be criticizing the guy at the same time he's congratulating you.

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    exactly (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:24:18 PM EST
    I see frantic speech editing.

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    Which probably was (none / 0) (#92)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:28:57 PM EST
    one of several reasons they put this particular kind of ad out there.

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    I don't think so (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Monda on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:35:29 PM EST
    Because if he is soft on McCain tonight, than the media will go after him for it.  He has nothing to gain by doing that.  On the other hand, McCain will gain a few points.

    On Topic, I think it will be Romney.  

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    McCain-Steele (none / 0) (#81)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:17:17 PM EST
    has a certain ring to it...

    how about (none / 0) (#89)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:25:13 PM EST
    McCain/Powell

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    Would be a savvy move. (none / 0) (#98)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:35:56 PM EST
    But isn't the conventional wisdom that Powell's a mite miffed at GW and the party in general?

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    What "Drudger's" Believe (none / 0) (#82)
    by Pianobuff on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:18:12 PM EST
    From their poll on the front page:

    GIULIANI 2%     3,149
    K. B. HUTCHISON 17%     24,140
    HUCKABEE 3%     4,530
    LIEBERMAN 5%     6,814
    PAWLENTY 7%     9,485
    ROMNEY 48%     67,584
    DARK HORSE 17%     23,

    I hope the formatting isn't all screwed up on this.

    Is Dark Horse... (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by OrangeFur on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:19:57 PM EST
    ... related to Bad Horse, the Thoroughbred of Sin? If so, he may have ethics problems.

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    I got that. (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:42:06 PM EST
    Just wanted to show off my Joss coolness factor.

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    I saw Jindal on c-span. (none / 0) (#101)
    by Joan in VA on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:41:48 PM EST
    If he wants energy, that guy's got it. Might make McCain look tired, though. I know he took himself out of the running but ? They also showed the Mittster arriving in Denver yesterday. There's an RNC tent there or some such. They're trying to seem relevant, I guess. Carly was also there.

    Dems plan to attend Repub convention (none / 0) (#109)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:03:40 PM EST


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    The RNC/McCain Rapid-Response HQ (none / 0) (#112)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:15:53 PM EST
    They set up their operations a couple of blocks from the Pepsi Center. I think it was on Tuesday when CNN took a tour of the office.

    Really hardcore, with televisions tuned to every available channel, and a team of 20-30 people all busy bangin' away on laptops and Blackberries while keeping one eye and ear tuned to the televisions and the Internets. They also had a mini-studio for LIVE interviews etc.

    And yes, the DNC and Obama campaign will also be setting up a similar operation in Minneapolis next week.

    I think it's good. They each get to quickly respond to and refute anything that the other side lobs during the convention proceedings.

    Within minutes of Hillary's speech on Tuesday, CNN was already reading a response statement from them.

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    Please please let it be Lieberman! (none / 0) (#115)
    by Belswyn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:29:17 PM EST
    :)

    We could all head to blockbuster for  "grumpy old men" vids!

    It might even finally prompt the Dems in Congress to strip the guy of his committee assignments.

    I have a feeling that (none / 0) (#117)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:38:34 PM EST
    the leaking/floating of KBH's name today is inprepartion to possibly a different woman on the ticket.

    I think a woman also.... (none / 0) (#130)
    by Oje on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:58:15 PM EST
    So, I say Christine Todd Whitman or Elizabeth Dole.... Come to think of it, where is Bob Dole's chair, McCain might need it.

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    They are now floating Meg Whitman (none / 0) (#135)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:13:16 PM EST
    but I still think Sarah Palin.

    Who knows. We'll find out tomorrow.

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    Wow, you got that right.... (none / 0) (#137)
    by Oje on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:10:56 PM EST


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