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Okay, can someone explain to me why Biden has not been announced already? Seriously.

What's the point of the timing on this?

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    Maybe I was off bay a day yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:56:30 PM EST
    and the announcement will be 6PM tonight. Or maybe it will be tomorrow--but who knows why they would do that?

    Um, *BY* (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:57:01 PM EST
    I guess I had Bayh on mayh mind.

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    He wants to make you, personally, (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by scribe on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:56:39 PM EST
    suffer, BTD.

    Just you.

    Then he succeeded (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:58:22 PM EST
    I just want to post the news and run.

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    Why? (5.00 / 0) (#31)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:02:42 PM EST
    You mean you have a life and don't live and breathe every moment for Obama?

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    I don;t have a life (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:09:20 PM EST
    and my non-life is not dedicated to this obvious nonsense.

    Pssst, it's Not Hillary, I mean Biden. We all know it. Just freaking say it.

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    Are you still saving the announcement for (none / 0) (#29)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:02:02 PM EST
    poor Jeralyn?

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    She's not around (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:07:52 PM EST
    They Confused (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:56:52 PM EST
    anticipation with irritation?

    Or maybe the choice sucks that much.  Certainly the leaked short list didn't have a lot to be excited about.

    The Sucks Ang;e (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:59:59 PM EST
    Perhaps they want to keep the time there can be any mounted opposition to a minimum.  Remember, he does not have some huge pledged delegate lead going into the convention. So there could be some concern that the SDs and Clinton delegates (and maybe even some progressive Obama delegates) might not like the choice.

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    Angle (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:01:01 PM EST
    not whatever fake word that was in my subject.

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    I know that if I was a candidate for (none / 0) (#30)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:02:23 PM EST
    a new job and the 'boss' was having that hard a time making the decision, I sure wouldn't feel like she/he was completely sold on me being the right choice.

    There's no compliment in how this has gone.


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    HE (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:56:52 PM EST
    works in mysterious ways

    Logic (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:00:09 PM EST
    He is Pelosi's gift from God, and we all know Obama's candidacy came from Kerry

    so therefore

    Kerry is God.

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    Begala says the not being vetted will hurt (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:58:14 PM EST
    with Hillary supporters.

    I have to share this comment from Daily Kos:

    This is a message to the Republicans, and to the traditional media. This is Barack Obama telling them "I'm driving this bus. I'm in charge of my campaign, and I'll be setting the narratives from now on."


    I thought Begala's comment (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:59:52 PM EST
    was very revealing. That he thought it would cause problems with Hillary supporters, not that Obama didn't choose her, but that he said she would be on the short list and clearly wasn't.

    He also specifically said that the last thing Obama needs are energized PUMAs.

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    No, the last Thing Obama needs (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:05:04 PM EST
    Is a big ol' media narrative chanting "What will Hillary do now?".  Even if the answer is "What she's been doing all along.", it still implies that Hillary is still a player.

    And I know that there will be point by point comparisons between Hillary and The Veep on the web.  Some of them will even be worth reading.

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    Last night, at Vancouver airport, on (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:14:55 PM EST
    CNN during the "VP Watch" segment, which was endless, I got heartily sick of hearing Obama's name, which I only heard once in Edinburgh, and that was in reference to a Zimbabwe sculpture titled "Change."  But, back to CNN, every once in awhile during the VP Watch, there was a reference to Hillary Clinton.  

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    David Gergen wrote that Obama needs (none / 0) (#122)
    by hairspray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:33:09 PM EST
    a serious game change now.  The polls with Obama beginning to slide are cause for alarm.  Gergen listed three changes 1) Name Hillary VP or  2) Name Al Gore the VP pick or announce immediately who the cabinet will be.  The idea is to put some heavyweights on his team to calm the waters about inexperience.  The country is getting worried about this neopphyte and it is not Hillary's fault.  Of course that doesn't mean they won't try.  Today in the NYT someone wrote that Hillary is stumping for Obama in Florida, but she 'isn't trying hard enough.' What a crock.

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    Obama would have (none / 0) (#141)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:40:44 PM EST
    better luck getting Hillary than Al.

    The cabinet is a good idea, but it cuts down on the amount of time Obama has to wrangle favors and commitments out of people.  

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    I don't get why Al would be interested... (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by nulee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:48:37 PM EST
    do people think the guy wants to be a perpetual VP?

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    Any true and loyal Democrat (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:57:02 PM EST
    should want to do absolutely anything that is asked of them to help The One.


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    Praise the Lord (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:17:25 PM EST
    and pass the kool aid!

    I wish that stuff really worked.  I'd use it on my kids!

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    al turned down first seat, no way (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:06:40 PM EST
    he'll consider second chair to save obama's bacon.

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    Too late for that worry (none / 0) (#85)
    by Salt on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:23:38 PM EST
    yes (none / 0) (#171)
    by jedimom on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:57:59 PM EST
    that is the first thing I said to hubby. How stupid is this to energize the PUMAS like this? This is red meat, he didnt even VET her and he vetted Chet Edwards!? and made sure everyone knew it?


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    Where was this that Begala was (none / 0) (#191)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:20:48 PM EST
    talking?  article?  tv news?

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    How fitting (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:00:38 PM EST
    If the native file document is not available or does not contain reviewable content, please tag the document as "non-responsive" and move on

    And running over everyone in the process

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    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:05:14 PM EST
    No it's a message that he's immature and attention-seeking.

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    So when the bus goes (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by chel2551 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:41 PM EST
    over the cliff, it'll be his fault.

    Fine.

    Some of his supporters are operating in fantasy land.

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    I don't think so. (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:12:04 PM EST
    I have the completely opposite impression - that he is not at all in control of anything - that he is following the dictates of ad agency corporate right-wing buffoons.

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    No, the Pelosi gang (none / 0) (#200)
    by Prabhata on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:59:43 PM EST
    I'm sure he felt a tingle as he.... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:00:59 PM EST
    ...typed those words. Seriously, though, I guess narrativeis the new context.

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    At least they admit he is driving the bus (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:04:01 PM EST
    we are under. There are some fans over there who are really getting over this and think he has let it play out too long.

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    Teresa, have you noticed BTD has adopted (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:15:49 PM EST
    the phrase "under the bus" recently?

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    Silly mortal... (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by TomStewart on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:58:33 PM EST
    Obama works in mysterious ways... He doesn't want to do a six day rush job, like god did.

    If 99% of viewers would (none / 0) (#153)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:44:20 PM EST
    turn off their TV's (at least stay completely away from the pundit cable networks) beginning now, you can be sure the announcement would be made instantly.


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    dont forget the important stuff (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:59:56 PM EST
    is someone standing by to call 911 when Jeralyns keyboard bursts into flames?


    oh my! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ccpup on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:01:10 PM EST
    I've got a bucket of water handy, if that helps.

    Only 'cause I love Jeralyn so much.

    ;-)

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    tch! It's an electrical fire. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:06:44 PM EST
    You don't use water on that.  Anyone got a fire extinguisher handy?

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    Can't you use flour also? (none / 0) (#45)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:37 PM EST
    Nooooooo! (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:20:31 PM EST
    Flour dust is highly flammable!

    Baking soda is good for small fires.  

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    Also try to (none / 0) (#145)
    by magisterludi on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:42:11 PM EST
    avoid couch cushions. I speak from experience.

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    Yes, baking soda is the thing (none / 0) (#194)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:22:24 PM EST
    if you don't have a fire extinguisher handy.

    I've got mine ready.

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    but covering Jeralyn (none / 0) (#140)
    by ccpup on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:40:20 PM EST
    in fire extinguisher foam echos too many cheesy 1980s hard rock videos.  All that's missing is her on the hood of a car or posing in a warehouse.

    (She doesn't, by chance, live in a warehouse, does she?  'Cause then it could TOTALLY work!)

    Can we just smother her in a big fluffy towel?  Just until the fire's out, of course.

    :-)

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    Heck (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:18:14 PM EST
    at least Jeralyn is honest. The funniest thing is going to see all the obama apologists in the blogosphere either go into 1. pretzel mode. 2. burst into flames or 3.hide under the desk and disappear.

    This has gone beyond comedy at this point. The GOP is going to have a field day.

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    RCP has an article about how the Repubs (none / 0) (#195)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:24:33 PM EST
    are playing up past convention bumps, to raise expectations which they (I assume) expect Obama won't meet.

    Like I keep sayin' they've just been lying-in-wait.  Or is it laying?  Whatever, they're doing it.

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    didn't you ever date a girl (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by Turkana on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:00:12 PM EST
    who made you wait... and wait... and wait...

    of course, it usually turned out to not have been worth the trouble. which was the point...

    this is why its better to be a gay man (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:04:17 PM EST
    we all want the same thing

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    ha - you told (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:09:25 PM EST
    No more 'it' for you babe.

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    oops (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:20:02 PM EST
    we all want the same thing, anyway (none / 0) (#48)
    by Turkana on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:57 PM EST
    it's just that some are socialized into fighting against their own best interests. as in politics...

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    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:30:19 PM EST
    Along those lines, allow me to recommend Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation by evolutionary biologist Olivia Judson.  The chapters debunking the "naturalness" of male promiscuity and female faithfulness are worth the price of the book.  It's also a very entertaining read as Dr. Tatiana responds to sex questions from all sorts of various creatures.

    It's a heckuva lot more entertaining than waiting for Obama to announce whatever bland, non-threatening politician is going to be his running mate in what is shaping up to be the shallowest presidential election in U.S. history.  

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    not to say that gay men (none / 0) (#136)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:38:03 PM EST
    are any randier than heterosexuals.  its just that, for the most part, we are totally up front, unapologetic and unconflicted about it.

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    Why Wouldn't You Be? (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:42:46 PM EST
    The gay part could get you killed, but the wanting sex part is accepted for men.  You don't have entire social systems set up to punish you for liking sex or being unfaithful.  These social systems are, of course, necessary because women naturally don't like sex and are faithful.  It's just sometimes you need to inflict punishment on people to get them to act naturally.  

    And I know as a gay man you're familiar with this phenomenon since you're allowed to want sex, you just have to want it with the "naturally" right person (e.g. female) and sometimes that requires things like shaming and death.

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    plus (none / 0) (#159)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:46:13 PM EST
    from my, rather extensive experience, all men are teenagers.

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    I was at the dog park one day (none / 0) (#168)
    by magisterludi on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:54:43 PM EST
    and a few of us humans were having  a conversation bemoaning our teenagers and getting to get them to go to bed at a decent hour (impossible) on school nights.

    One woman (childless) was a PhD candidate in anthropology. She said she wasn't surprised, because the kids are nocturnal at that age and really should be out mating.

    Kind of stopped the conversation for a bit as all us parents did the visual.

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    Don't be a "hater" now :) (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:10:59 PM EST
    Don't hate (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:13:24 PM EST
    Congratulate!

    (To quote my co-worker)

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    Oh Boy :) (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:21:33 PM EST
    I love such people before, during, and after about four consecutive challenging situations and then something doesn't connect properly on the fifth one for me. I find myself trying to lock them in the coat closet for just a wee bit.

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    dont hate (none / 0) (#167)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:53:57 PM EST
    regurgitate

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    ooh, fun! Can I play? (none / 0) (#178)
    by Klio on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:07:00 PM EST
    don't hate - expectorate!


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    ooo ooo let me try (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by ccpup on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:25:49 PM EST
    don't hate - uh - er - damn!

    I got nothin'.

    (sigh)

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    he thinks it's (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by ccpup on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:00:15 PM EST
    uber-exciting foreplay and we're on the edge of orgasmic frenzy, but he hasn't realized we nodded off long ago and are now drooling on our pillows.

    Or something like that.

    ;-)

    right (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by AlSmith on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:09:56 PM EST
    "Barack Obama is inspiring us like a desert lover, a Washington Valentino," Lili Haydn wrote in the Huffington Post. "Couples all over America are making love again and shouting `Yes we can' as they climax."

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    what's a desert lover? (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:12:19 PM EST
    I'm not sure I want to knowl. (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:13:02 PM EST
    Now a dessert lover is a totally (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:15:24 PM EST
    different thing :)

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    Hmmmm (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:29:30 PM EST
    Is there chocolate involved?  

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    LOL, I MIGHT want to know (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:15:39 PM EST
    may I just say.....EWWWWWWWWWW (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:12:34 PM EST
    Naw, no sex analogy please. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:25 PM EST
    Maybe "Casey Strikes Out"?  Or some other sports analogy?  Winning by a safety instead a touchdown?

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    You got it. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:07:02 PM EST
    "Dump" is the operative word.
    And we are the dumpees.

    You all see this the other day? (none / 0) (#75)
    by daria g on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:18:12 PM EST
    Dog toy warning (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:07:48 PM EST
    this just came through on my Dal list:

    http://www.thechaistory.blogspot.com/

    warning, there are pics farther down. I don't think they are overly graphic, but I've seen some nasty things. The story is upsetting to me, but word needs to get out. I would freak if this happened to my dog!

    Also know your dog. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:17:40 PM EST
    My dog is a incredible chewer.  I got a polymer lamb-flavored chew bone.  Hours after I gave it to him, he had chewed slivers of plastic off of it and was vomiting.  I threw it out and never gave him another chew toy.  He gets bones, which I no longer mention to my vet since she disapproves.  Better real bones that he can grind up (and does!) than an inedible but supposedly safe toy.

    I honestly think the chew was safe for the average dog who just wants something to slobber on.  For a dog that tries to actually eat it?  No.

    (Don't feed your dog rib bones.  They splinter length wise when they are chewed.  Most other large animal bones are okay.)

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    ditto with mine (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:24:47 PM EST
    he get bones and nothing else.  whatever it is he will eat it.
    that story was awful.
    heres another, a friend has a middle sized aussie shepherd type dog.  maybe 35 or 40 pounds.  she stopped eating.
    he took her to the vet and when they xrayed her they found she had eaten a bath towel.
    a BATH TOWEL.
    a big thick fluffy one.
    3500 bucks worth of surgery later she is ok.


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    Bless my smart canine. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:33:39 PM EST
    One coworker loved Dobermans.  She was on her second b*tch.  Sweet animal, but had to be crated when she was alone.  Why?  She ate things.  Crating her was a lot kinder and cheaper than GI blockage and subsequent surgery from an ingested wash cloth.

    My dog will lick the butter off a wrapper, the blood from butcher paper but he will never, ever eat nonfood items.  Even if they taste like food, he still won't eat them.  When he took ill this spring they asked if he might have eaten something.  No, never did and I never expect him too.  

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    My dog is the same way (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:41:53 PM EST
    Non-food items hold no interest in the eating arena. And I am thankful. I'd be able to answer that same question from the vet as you did.

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    I feed my dog raw racks of ribs (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:32:50 PM EST
    usually veal or lamb as they are "soft". But my dog is raw fed and a good chewer. She's more likely to choke inhaling kibble!

    Good point about knowing your dog. Mine will chew up the occasional stuffy, but is more likely to just play and groom with them. She hasn't had manufactured chews in 6yrs. She had no interest in most that I decided would be safe for her. Her fav toy is a knuckle bone that is a working joint. She gets the biggest kick out of running around flipping the joint open and closed.

    I love raw bones as chews and toys. Great for keeping teeth clean andd thankfully, my vet is on board with my choices. She's fairly knowledgeable in nutrition (she does holistic and eastern methods also) and has low opinions of most commercial food, especially for cats.

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    One of my cats had a serious (none / 0) (#151)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:43:48 PM EST
    stomach problem since he was born. Canstat runny poops and bad breath. Our old vet tried for years to find a food he could tolerate. Once we switched him to a grain free, corn free kibble and raw meat the problem cleared up immediately. Our dog, a golden, is doing better than ever one the same diet. Wellness dry for seniors...the cats also get Wellness and they all eat the same organic meat and bones.

    I have becme a huge advocate of raw food.

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    I started when I got my Dal (none / 0) (#172)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:58:32 PM EST
    they need a low purine diet and it was frustrating reading labels and trying to guess how much liver etc she was really getting. Easier just to do the ingredients myself. Switched the cats over after I got the dog's diet settled. So much easier even with my number of pets. I never have to worry about any of their weights and even my 16yo cats are in excellent "condition". Look about half their age or less.

    I realize it's not for everyone, but if I can just get people to reduce the grains and crappy food they feed their pets, I'm happy :) I also try and direct them to vets that also do holistic because they tend to be more nutritionally UTD. I'd rather spend money on a raw diet than vet bills  ;)

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    i have used wellness for my cats (none / 0) (#181)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:13:42 PM EST
    recently and they like it. the dry one they came out with is good too. i tried some of newmans recently as well. the beef worked but the liver was a nonstarter. i have switched around some since they became sick of vension and brown rice. i also tried the raw approach and the meat is still in the freezer. the newman product is mostly meat with some needed vitamins etc.

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    We put our dog and cats (none / 0) (#89)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:24:21 PM EST
    on a raw food diet about 6 months ago now. Your vet should be pleased. Dogs can eat just about anything raw including entire chickens. It's the cooking that splinters the bones.

    Our animals get organic bison, beef, chicken and turkey. As well as raw bones of several kinds as treats and toys. The cats eat whole quail.

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    I make my own for the cats (none / 0) (#133)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:37:03 PM EST
    because I have so many and it's cheaper. Dog gets body parts or we share meals. Primal is my backup for the cats when I forget to get my meat order in on time. The feline crew really likes Primal.

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    primal? huh! i'll look into it. (none / 0) (#183)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:15:54 PM EST
    one of my cats has colon issues and i fear he'll have megacolon down the road. i am a member of a yahoo group that discusses these issues. i recommend it for anyone with those problems.

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    My dogs primarily eat only raw foods too (none / 0) (#139)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:39:29 PM EST
    Many people on the show circuit have switched to it.  My dogs are doing a lot better and it really doesn't cost much more once you get used to shopping for it than say IAMS does.....and my dogs do much better on it.  Most professional doggy type people have adopted a raw diet for their dogs.

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    well (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:12 PM EST
    Biden/Bayh aren't in Springfield, Illinois now are they?  They have to find a way to get there, which will take time...

    so I would think they'd announce who it was tonight.  Unless they're going to drag one of them out of bed at 3 am and get them to Springfield in secret.

    Or maybe they have body doubles...

    Biden? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by sas on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:49 PM EST
    Ho-friggin-hum.

    omg (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Little Fish on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:13:27 PM EST
    I just landed after a six hour fully expecting an announcement and nothing?

    Why? Sup wit dat?

    He waited just for you Little Fish (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:17:19 PM EST
    His campaign discovered (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:17:33 PM EST
    that every day they delay, the more cell phone numbers they are managing to get. I think Wednesday night is the nomination for VP, right?

    We'll know by then.

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    Maybe Joe said no, not a good idea. (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Salt on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:14:00 PM EST


    Dreamers (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:20:44 PM EST
    Obama knows there's going to be a big backlash to his pick. He figures the closer to the convention, the less time for things to fester. Then the convention will come and everyone will sing and hold hands and live happily ever after.

    video for next post if this drags on (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by DandyTIger on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:22:16 PM EST
    is of course... Anticipation by Carly Simon.

    Not for me (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:24:11 PM EST
    I'm thinking Ramones - I want to be sedated.

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    heh, good point. n/t (none / 0) (#98)
    by DandyTIger on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:26:17 PM EST
    Im way ahead of you (none / 0) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:26:35 PM EST
    I started at lunch.  soon to continue in earnest.


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    How about (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by tree on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:30:27 PM EST
    And "You're So Vain" (none / 0) (#95)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:25:36 PM EST
    yea, but I was being nice :-) n/t (none / 0) (#102)
    by DandyTIger on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:26:51 PM EST
    LOL, remember the ketchup (none / 0) (#106)
    by eleanora on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:29:01 PM EST
    commercial? We're all desperately hitting the bottom of that Heinz bottle, going c'mon, darnit! >:(

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    Relax, The One is just testing us ... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by RonK Seattle on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:23:48 PM EST
    ... like God does when He lets drunken parents drop their infant children into barbecue pits.

    ROTFLMAO! (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:29:23 PM EST
    One good thing I can say about the Obama campaign is that I haven't laughed at a candidate or their campaign so much in my life. The whole thing has produced good comedy for years to come!

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    And it's nice that McCain feels the (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:45:59 PM EST
    same way. His commercials have been a bright spot :)

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    maybe (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by AlSmith on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:30:08 PM EST

    Maybe he is check with constitutional law scholars if he even has to run with anyone.

    Or he can marry himself like Dennis Rodman.

    After all, if your are The One, why do you need a Two?

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    Maybe ... (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:24:55 PM EST
    it's really Chris Matthews

    I was thinking (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:26:35 PM EST
    Olber*BOY

    *as opposed to OlberMANN.

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    Gaius Baltar (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:25:06 PM EST
    that's who I'm going with.  What could go wrong?

    You could be right (none / 0) (#103)
    by A little night musing on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:27:01 PM EST
    It makes sense on so many levels.

    I'm still holding out hope it's BTD, though. Checked your voicemail lately, BTD?

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    Cuba beats U.S. in baseball, 5-4. (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:26:13 PM EST


    So much for baseball= apple pie, chevy (none / 0) (#116)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:30:41 PM EST
    the good ole USA....

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    You do a pretty fair Tommy Lasorda (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:33:21 PM EST
    imitation.

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    Bryan Clay just won the (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:29:13 PM EST
    decathlon.  Was there any coverage of that?  I may have slept through it.

    Now there's an athlete.  Nine different events and he wins most of them.

    I am sort of seething (5.00 / 6) (#113)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:30:10 PM EST
    over the NYT article about Hillary's so called "not working hard enough" or lack of enthusiasm.  
    Hillary is working in Boca, the day after one her close friends and staunchest supporters died unexpectedly.
    Has it ever occurred to this heartless idiots that sometimes losing a friend takes an emotional toll...the fact that she is even doing this is amazing.  

    Color me too angry to even be reasonable about this article.

    She's working harder for Obama... (5.00 / 5) (#134)
    by OrangeFur on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:37:45 PM EST
    ... than Obama is. Did she go on vacation?

    If Hillary's support is so important to the Democrats winning the election, then maybe we should have, you know, nominated her?

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    And yet just now (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:15:15 PM EST
    Blitzer's lead in is "Is Hillary doing enough for Obama?"  What the f**k is wrong with these people.
    Has anyone from the DNC, from the news, from anywhere even mentioned that Hillary just lost a close friend?  

    To be honest, I just saw Hillary on an interview...after the supposed unenthusiastic speech in Boca for Obama.....and she looked TIRED...emotionally exhausted.

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    They are trying to mute the criticism (none / 0) (#197)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:28:50 PM EST
    and further dropping polls when Obama doesn't pick her for VP.

    Good luck with that, boys.

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    I am writing to the public editor (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by hairspray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:59:42 PM EST
    about that crappy article.  They were trying to make it appear that Hillary had fingerprints on Obma's developing unpopularity.

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    Oh, I sent a letter to the "reporter" (none / 0) (#176)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:05:51 PM EST
    I was d@mn p!ssed. For the same reason. I asked him if he or the people he interviewed had even considered her feelings. Or had they just missed the news . . .

    Then suggested he ask Obama why he isn't working his tail off trying to bring us in. And why should she do all the heavy lifting. Also suggested he get some "perspective", lol!~

    yeah, I was a tad p!ssed.

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    It could be worse... (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by p lukasiak on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:31:00 PM EST
    ...you could be forced to read Kos (24 mentions of McCain's houses on its front page*), WKJM (23 mentions of McCain's houses on its front page*) or FDL (seven of the eight 'front page' posts are about McCain's houses**).

    *as counted by Lambert at correntewire
    **as counted by myself

    I can remember a time when these were all 'must read' blogs.... when you looked forward to the next post...

    I think WKJM is the funniest acronym... (none / 0) (#198)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:30:31 PM EST
    and I don't even really know who he is.

    Forget about the VP pick.  Let's pick our favorite new acronyms of this season.  That's mine, with WWTSBQ second.

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    top list people have been told (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by DandyTIger on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:33:09 PM EST
    the top contenders who have not been chosen have now been told. And the one who has been chosen has been told and accepted. And sadly from inside sources, no one bothered to say anything to Hillary.

    They really do believe (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:38:17 PM EST
    they can win without her supporters.

    Have I posted this link yet?

    Okay, I have, but I'll post again.

    Recent poll:  Obama lags in Democratic support

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    wow (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by jedimom on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:13:01 PM EST
    if it turns out he didnt even call Hillary to tell her who he was picking, I am pretty energized in a negative unDemocratic Unity kinda way..

    and I cherish my first hand completed voter id card from my parents house when I turned 18..sigh..

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    Carville agrees with Begala. No vetting is very (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:33:37 PM EST
    bad for unity. Jessica Yellin (sp?) says some Obama supporters told her that they think Obama handled this badly and should have better prepared her supporters for this.

    See what happens when you keep (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by ap in avl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:42:49 PM EST
    the media waiting?  

    Can't believe those "geniuses" running the campaign couldn't see this coming.  While the campaign is picking up all those great cell phone numbers, the media can spin this story any way they want.  And Obama will once again be behind the curve trying to frame his narrative for his benefit.

    Geniuses......yeah.

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    Carville actually looked angry and hurt (5.00 / 7) (#157)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:46:02 PM EST
    He too mentioned the PUMAs and said this strengthend their hand. Not sure what to make of that comment but he was certainly angry.

    The convention is sure going to be interesting.

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    I thought he looked (none / 0) (#185)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:16:50 PM EST
    angry, hurt and frustrated.

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    don't ask to hold hands and sing (none / 0) (#189)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:20:18 PM EST
    together again. ain't gonna work! diss hillary and you diss 18 million plus voters. what's smart about that?

    Parent
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks (5.00 / 4) (#128)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:58 PM EST
    like Biden voted for AUMF.  Doesn't that dilute Obama's stance?

    AUMF votes are only bad (5.00 / 4) (#142)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:41:00 PM EST
    when it's Hillary.

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    My thought also. (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:43:25 PM EST
    All Hillary votes (none / 0) (#187)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:17:48 PM EST
    are bad and evil, even when they are the same as Obama.  Haven't you read the DLC memo....Hillary is always wrong, Obama is always right...

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    Kerry voted for the AUMF (none / 0) (#201)
    by Prabhata on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 06:03:24 PM EST
    and it was not an issue for him.

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    Ohforgodssake... (5.00 / 4) (#130)
    by OrangeFur on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:36:03 PM EST
    All this excitement is like waiting to open a Christmas present after finding out that it was bought at a dollar store.

    In any case, it won't be today. Nobody announces the VP pick on Friday night. On Saturday, I guess you get the Sunday headlines, even if you have to compete with the Olympics.

    The media swooned over Obama's Greatest Speech Ever on race. They swooned over his trip to Europe. Do they have one more swoon in them (other than the one scheduled for after his convention speech)?

    I think we will need automated VP Open Threads (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:38:18 PM EST
    until tomorrow.

    My lawn mower calls to me (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:49:02 PM EST
    Might as well mow the back 40. Heh. Maybe by the time I come back inside there will be a decision announcement from the Big O. I really really hope this is not how he plans to run the WH. Cobwebs would be forming while he thought about signing a bill. Hasn't anyone told him about Instant Gratification? Well one thing we can say now, He will not be a Decider.

    BO could have had his Veep working for US to win (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by nulee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:50:39 PM EST
    for the last month.  But no, he decides instead to work with less and let his ratings slide and now it appears he is not picking Hillary - thanks a lot dude! How many ways can you dis the party!

    At least... (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by lansing quaker on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:03:25 PM EST
    I'm enjoying CNN.com.  I like those reporters about 1,000,000 times more than the anchors on the TV news network.

    I'm going to have my own little "Biden" party tonight.  I already texted my friends in anticipation!  The response:

    "Who's Biden?"

    I think "Who's Biden?" will be the theme of my general election drunken haze.

    Drat it all - I'm out of beer! (none / 0) (#188)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:19:49 PM EST
    No wine, no Amaretto, no Bailey's, no Kahlua - just some abysmally cheap rum that would ruin any drink I made with it.

    Got popcorn though.

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    5:00 news (none / 0) (#1)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:56:00 PM EST
    2 minutes

    Just in time for Hardball? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:57:08 PM EST
    Tweety is going to be ON today (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:01:44 PM EST
    isnt he a big Biden booster?

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    yes.. tweety predicted the Biden Surge (none / 0) (#50)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:09:23 PM EST
    Oy Vey..where is stat boy when you really need him
    There should be a three strikes rule for pundits

    Parent
    RE: yes, tweety picked the Biden surge (none / 0) (#184)
    by JDEUNO on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:15:59 PM EST
    Just saw on CNN that showed Wolf Blitzer asking Ed Henry about how the McCain camp is preparing for a response as soon as The One announces his choice.  They mentioned that they were looking at Biden and going through his background, and what they showed appeared to be a sample of the republican attack.  They showed the debate where George Stepanoupolis (sp) asked the question at the debate about a comment he made about Barack not being experienced enough, and George asked Biden "Do you still stand by that comment".  And Biden replied "Yes", with no hesitation...personally, it did not look good to me.  But then again, remember they said that it was Hillary who provided the Republicans with the info that they needed to attack The One, by the campaign that she ran....For the love of God...that's why I can't bring myself to vote for The One...no way, no how...

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    No (none / 0) (#119)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:31:35 PM EST
    He's been pushing for Hillary for quite a while now.  But Biden would probably be his second choice.  He does like him.


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    Tweety actually allowed (none / 0) (#193)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:22:09 PM EST
    his intellect to overtake his emoting when he said Hillary would be the smart choice.  However, Hillary won't give him that "hero thrill" he seems to need.

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    Tweety may be getting (none / 0) (#190)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:20:39 PM EST
    thrills and chills if it is Biden.  Biden is catholic you know and for Tweety, being catholic ranks right up there with "sunny nobility (as he describe W)."

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    To bury the news during Olympic coverage (none / 0) (#6)
    by Key on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:56:53 PM EST
    To bury the news during Olympic coverage...

    I'm wondering (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by chrisvee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:06:41 PM EST
    if he's going to draw this out until tomorrow.

    Begala is spot on. Whoever leaked that story did Obama no favors.

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    It's the house gaffe (none / 0) (#10)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:58:22 PM EST
    /snark

    Oh, you meant seriously.

    It's that they know this isn't going to be good for Obama.  Maybe they just won't release the information at all.

    For crissakes (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:59:11 PM EST
    He even killed the house story with this nonsense.

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    It's all a big psych (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Democratic Cat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:00:25 PM EST
    Sen. Obama will run on his own, without a VP.

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    I have it on pretty good authority (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:10:46 PM EST
    that they are cloning Obama to run with himself.

    Its taking a little more time than they thought it would.

    But they do technically have until Wednesday to complete the clone.

    lol

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    Well I have seen this one (none / 0) (#83)
    by tree on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:22:44 PM EST
    Ah, stealing the idea (none / 0) (#92)
    by chel2551 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:25:05 PM EST
    from Time magazines's "Person of the Year."

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    He's getting more attention than ever before (none / 0) (#14)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:58:52 PM EST
    His house has been staked out with journalists for 2 days, he's being talked about non-stop, he got flowers delivered to his house today, and word is his family is all coming home.

    He's got to be loving this. Where did he fall in the contest? Did he even get 1 delegate during the primaries?

    Yep, that would have been my choice. Then, I'm not qualified to be POTUS.


    They're ashamed of him, Friday night news cycle (none / 0) (#15)
    by robrecht on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:58:54 PM EST


    Totally annoying CNN who has (none / 0) (#38)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:06:55 PM EST
    had that lower-third up all day about the annoucement coming any minute?

    I don't think it will happen until tomorrow.

    Too bad too because by then the media will probably annoyed enough to say something like, "Well, after waiting all this time, Candidate X is not interesting enough to merit all the hype."  ...and it will stick - unless of course it ends up being Clinton.

    BTD is going to have all these (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:08:08 PM EST
    threads dedicated to waiting for the wrong "B" boy.

    Not a chance (none / 0) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:10:09 PM EST
    Evan Bayh doesn't have much of a track (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:16:27 PM EST
    record when it comes to foreign policy does he?  I just can't do Joe Biden.  I just can't! His whole credit card company best friend vs. bankruptcy stance makes me gag!  How can anyone attempt to sell that crapola to America right now with a straight face?

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    Don't ask me. (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by chel2551 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:23:11 PM EST
    How can anyone attempt to sell that crapola to America right now with a straight face?

    He couldn't even garner enthusiasm in the primaries he entered.  He was bashed on a regular basis by liberals.

    "sigh"

    It is no fun to be a democrat these days.  No fun at all.

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    To distract and inform you while you're waiting... (none / 0) (#52)
    by bmc on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:09:44 PM EST
    UNIONS CONCERNED OVER OBAMA WALL STREET POLITICS

    Bloomberg - AFL-CIO Secretary-Treasurer Richard Trumka delivers a slap at former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin in a slide show exhorting union members to back Democrat Barack Obama for president. Blaming unfettered global trade and inadequate government regulation for lost manufacturing jobs and a staggering economy, Trumka's presentation cautions that "it will do us little good if, when the next Democrat moves into the White House, Wall Street takes command of our country's economic policy.''

    Trumka leaves no doubt that the rebuke is aimed at Rubin, Wall Street's most prominent Democrat. It's "hard to tell the difference'' between Rubin and Republican Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, the presentation says. Trumka's critique reflects the concern among organized-labor officials that Rubin and like-minded Democrats may win the behind-the-scenes battle to shape Obama's economic thinking.

    "I'm hearing Rubin's name more and more associated with the campaign's economic policy,'' says James Torrey, a top Obama fundraiser and chief executive officer of New York-based Torrey Associates, a hedge-fund investor.

    Rubin, who became chairman of Citigroup's executive committee after leaving President Bill Clinton's Cabinet, represents policy priorities that would favor free trade and more emphasis on deficit-cutting budget discipline if Obama beats Republican John McCain on Nov. 4. Meanwhile, Trumka and his boss, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, are pushing trade policies that would protect U.S. industries, universal health care, and spending on highway construction and other projects that would create union jobs. . .
    The Wall Street contingent's clout has grown within the Obama camp in the two months since Rubin's first-choice candidate, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, conceded the nomination. A Rubin protege, Jason Furman, is now the economic-policy director of Obama's campaign. . .

    At an economic forum last month, Sweeney, former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, and union advocates were outnumbered by the likes of Lawrence Summers, Rubin's successor as Treasury secretary; JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon; former Republican Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill; and former Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman William Donaldson, like O'Neill an appointee of President George W. Bush.

    "Senator Obama made it clear that he would be reaching out to members of that group in the future,'' says another participant, Laura Tyson, who worked with Rubin as the head of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.

    Labor's apprehensions surfaced after the June 9 appointment of Furman, a Brookings Institution scholar and former Clinton White House aide. One reason: In 2005, Furman published a paper saying Wal-Mart Stores Inc. creates productivity gains and consumer savings that outweigh the low wages it pays workers. . .

    Even so, some union leaders are already girding to fight for influence in any future Obama administration. If the Rubin camp were to win out, it would boost the odds that an Obama presidency might sidestep significant trade restrictions and sacrifice spending programs for the sake of deficit reduction.

    "I worry about his influence,'' says Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers.

    Trumka, 59, says the AFL-CIO began months ago to look for candidates for Cabinet posts, including the Treasury and Energy Departments, as well as the Federal Reserve.

    "This will not be business as usual for us,'' Trumka says in an interview. "They're not going to be able to pat us on the head and say, we'll let you give us three names for the secretary of labor, and think that we'll be happy.''

    Obama, 47, can't afford to alienate organized labor. Union households account for almost one in four U.S. voters, and labor is crucial to turning out the vote. The 10.5 million-member AFL- CIO, the nation's largest labor organization, plans to use 250,000 volunteers to contact 13 million voters in 24 states; the Steelworkers plan to deploy 250 paid election workers across 27 states.

    One of Obama's biggest challenges, in fact, may be winning a significant share of rank-and-file union voters, who backed Clinton by large margins in Ohio and other industrial swing states. . .

    At an Aug. 5 town hall meeting in Berea, Ohio, Obama touted the benefits of a strong dollar, a cause Rubin championed at the Treasury. "A strengthening of the dollar'' would mitigate rising gasoline prices, he said.

    The statement appalled economists aligned with unions, which fear that a stronger dollar would make imported goods cheaper and hurt export sales. "The strong-dollar policy is very harmful,'' says Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. "There's some real fundamental differences between the Rubinites and the labor people, and I don't know how you get them on the same page.''

    http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=3145

    If they dislike Rubin (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by BDB on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:23:42 PM EST
    they will freaking hate Austen Goolsbee.  

    They're right and not just about Obama.  Democrats generally can't be trusted to represent labor (organized or otherwise).  They are nearly as much a corporatist party as the GOP is now.

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    Stunning (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by waldenpond on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:27:03 PM EST
    Voters have no confidence in the Dems to take the country in the direction they want.  gasp.  :)

    I try to keep pointing out that this Dem congress has lower approval than the President and that it has passed the least legislation in 20 years.  Can anyone say 'do nothing'?

    We went from an industrial country to a service country.  I think we should scrap all thoughts of laboring to make a living.  Jobs?  We don't need no stinking jobs.  We could all just be investors making money off of the cheap labor of other countries.  We would only need a decent supply of serfs to proved health care, food and housekeeping.  We could officially be the Wall Street country.

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    Oh great. CNN is about to give us (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:13:11 PM EST
    Obama's half brother! Guess they need to fill the "waiting" time. . . .

    Try changing the channel (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:15:28 PM EST
    and find something you can enjoy watching.

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    Carville is coming up (none / 0) (#81)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:21:38 PM EST
    and he's always good for some humor. Just poured myself a well deserved glass of wine :)

    My comment was more in reflection of Obama's stalling could cause for some interesting fill in. I'm sure he would rather the discussion still be houses though  ;)

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    I see the appeal now (none / 0) (#120)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:32:49 PM EST
    I'd watch for Carville, as well. What time zone are you in? Carville is appearing on??

    I'm PDT, and would actually tune in for Carville.


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    RE: I see the appeal now (none / 0) (#192)
    by JDEUNO on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:21:50 PM EST
    I just saw the story about his half-brother.  Given his living conditions, and where he lives, I wonder how the Republicans are going to view this.  Personally, I don't think it was a good story for CNN to run at the moment.  One of the women interviewed asked the question why The One hasn't done more to help his half-brother...

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    redux, reflux, whatever (none / 0) (#131)
    by RonK Seattle on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:36:17 PM EST
    Followed, no doubt, by Cindy McCain's (none / 0) (#135)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:38:01 PM EST
    heretofore undiscovered half-siblings.  

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    I don't think it's Biden (none / 0) (#74)
    by CST on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:18:06 PM EST
    "middle class champion" comes to mind.

    You have to (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:25:31 PM EST
    realize that this is coming from Obama and his campaign who thinks that taking a vacation in Hawaii during a campaign is a good thing. It also comes from the campaign that thinks "Obama is strong on defense" despite what the polls say.

    It's the Obama bubble that he and many of his supporters live in.

    But I do agree that with most voters "fighting for the middle class" is not the first thing that comes to mind when you mention the name Joe Biden.

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    So does "judgment" (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:29:31 PM EST
    The description Obama has put out for what qualities the VP must possess are Hillary Clinton. It feels like he has a goal to make sure the hold-out Clinton supporters know that HE doesn't see her as qualified despite her getting more votes than he did.

    If he believes Biden fills the qualifications list, and is the right person for the job, it goes to Obama's judgment.

    The people, on the other hand, didn't let Joe get too far, or any delegates, in his quest for the Whitehouse. Obama knows better, of course.


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    In about an hour and 45 minutes... (none / 0) (#96)
    by A little night musing on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:25:51 PM EST
    there will be baseball.

    Now that's worth the wait!

    In one hour and 45 minutes (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:27:29 PM EST
    BTD won't care quite so much.  If it is announced tonight he will be briefly distracted enough to put up a thread about Joe Biden and then he can return to baseball.

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    Dish Network channel 211 (none / 0) (#127)
    by splashy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:33:43 PM EST
    Is the channel carrying the Democratic Convention when it happens.

    Carville seems bummed. Not his usual (none / 0) (#132)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:37:03 PM EST
    energetic self.

    Actually I think Carville (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by tnjen on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:43:55 PM EST
    ...was seething with rage.

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    So now we have the Obama (none / 0) (#158)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:46:10 PM EST
    tea leaves and the Carville tea leaves.

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    I think so (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by tnjen on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:48:54 PM EST
    ...both Carville and Begala mentioned PUMA too.

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    Carville probably has it rough at home (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by nulee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:52:08 PM EST
    now, because with BO's likely pick of Biden - Dems have sealed their fate for another loss.

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    Because (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:56:56 PM EST
    he knows we have a losing ticket. Hard to get excited about that isn't it?

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    That could be because of (none / 0) (#150)
    by tree on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:43:29 PM EST
    the recent deaths.

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    Or because (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:44:52 PM EST
    He knows a loss when he sees one.

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    Waiting, just waiting was Cary Grant's line... (none / 0) (#143)
    by mogal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:41:37 PM EST
    in An Affair to Remember and Deborah Kerr said "That awful, just awful."

    She was right!

    I have plans (none / 0) (#148)
    by AlSmith on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:43:12 PM EST

    for the night, so his genius scheme to keep me around isnt working.

    Anyone want to bet that they will repeat this at his big speech at the convention? "Evenyone loves the suspense, so lets deliver the speech at 11pm ET!"

    Interesting question. I'm going to a (none / 0) (#155)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:45:00 PM EST
    modern dance concert tonight.  Will there be an announcement from the stage?

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    cool (none / 0) (#164)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:51:47 PM EST
    I was just down with the sound people recording lines for our game.
    looks like I will be a crazy cult leader in the Mars Red Faction Revolution.
    why is no one surprised?


    I am heading out (none / 0) (#166)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:53:01 PM EST
    Must take care of boat stuff, I swear it's just a black hole in the water to throw money into.

    I hope by the time we get back we have an announcement.

    When they interviewed Obama today (none / 0) (#175)
    by Grace on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:04:18 PM EST
    he said he needs someone to "help him govern."

    I think he's going to pick Uncle Dick, Dick Cheney.  Dick has experience in governing so that will help him.  ;-)

    Obama's co-president.  

    Honestly, if it is not HRC, (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by nulee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:08:18 PM EST
    he's going to need someone to put his life back together when he loses - BIG TIME.

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    He's waiting so that he can amass (none / 0) (#202)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:05:33 PM EST
    More email and cell phone contacts.  He's building up his data base.  

    His campaign is so silly they think that the data base is more important than irritating so many voters with this fake delay.