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How to Lobby Superdelegates

Here's the link to Lobby Superdelegates.

Pick your state, tell them you are a constituent and make your case for your favorite candidate.

Superdelegates can make up their minds or change their minds anytime up until the convention. So long as Hillary stays in the race, there is no victor. As of tonight and tomorrow, this is a two person race.

Obama leads in pledged delegates, but doesn't have the magic number. Hillary leads in the popular vote. More people have voted for her than Obama.

With neither candidate winning both the pledged delegate total and the popular vote, the question is, who is more electable in November and who can better lead our country?

Don't be shy, this may be your last chance.

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    I am an ANGRY WOMAN (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by alright on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:30:31 PM EST


    Me too! (none / 0) (#21)
    by Grace on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:51:39 PM EST
    But never let them see you sweat.  (Remember that old commercial?)

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    Jeralyn, has your link been hacked (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Cream City on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:32:05 PM EST
    as it comes up for me as very Obama-biased -- his name over Clinton's, his photo only, and only options to tell Clinton super-delegates to switch to Obama or Obama super-delegates to stay with Obama, etc.

    This link at the site seems to be more balanced as it ought to be at a site that claims to not be biased for either candidate.

    Whatever -- thanks, this is just what will help me get to this task tomorrow.  

    Do you have your type enlarged? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:35:59 PM EST
    I had to zoom my type back so it came up formatted right . . .   :)

    Parent
    To my eyes (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Steve M on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:37:46 PM EST
    it looks quite neutral...

    Parent
    mine's fine (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:05:03 AM EST
    no problems, neutral, gives you the superdelegates for each state and sends your message. It's free if you send it by email and it will send the same message to all the superdelegates you check in your state.

    Parent
    My link was fine too (none / 0) (#39)
    by MisterPleasant on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:07:13 AM EST
    Thanks Jeralyn.  I have been meaning to send these letters for some time, but that site makes it so easy, I may even hit up some of the delegates from Washington whom I helped elect to office before I moved to the Beaver State.

    Parent
    I'm hitting some CA ones since I'll be moving (none / 0) (#50)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:16:31 AM EST
    there and all my family is there. Lots of history in CA. I even voted for Pelosi back in the day, lol!~

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    Thanks for the link! (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:33:16 PM EST
    I had been wanting a state by state to compose a future reference chart from :)

    AND, I'm happy to say, NY is standing by Hillary pretty good. Only 1 Obama delegate and 3 undecideds. I'll be writing hers and the other 4 :)

    OT: Check this link http://tinyurl.com/5wdk3r it has an article about Obama outspending through out the campaign. there's a link in the article that DLs a word doc with a state by state breakdown including delegates won etc.

    Oh, yeah, I've been having trouble getting the link button to work :(

    Arkansas is completely for her (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by splashy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:55:47 AM EST
    Except for one uncommitted. I sent and email urging the uncommitted to commit to Clinton.

    Of course, no way Arkansas can do any other. Well, you would think, at least!

    I do know the Clinton Library has put Little Rock on the map, for sure.

    Parent

    Yep (none / 0) (#22)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:51:55 PM EST
    NY is pretty impressive. I thought I'd heard Yvette Clarke had gone for Obama but I guess I was wrong. I'll work on the uncommitteds tomorrow.

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    I thought she was being pressured (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:55:04 PM EST
    to go Obama since her district did?

    I'm confused at this point, that's why that site is good. I'm going to copy/paste each state into a word doc. I want these folks on [my] record  ;)

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    It was also a bit of a relief (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:57:58 PM EST
    to see how a few other people had gone in other states. I had hoped Barney Frank had gone for HRC -- and he did. Am furious that a few other MA congressmen I used to respect went against their districts but I'm sure it was due to Kerry and Kennedy.

    I also kind of feel for Linda and Loretta Sanchez of California since they're for different candidates. I suspect things are probably pretty tense in their family right now!

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    Barney Frank (none / 0) (#52)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:17:20 AM EST
    wrote one of the best essays of the primary season.

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    Ta, Steve (none / 0) (#78)
    by janarchy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:20:29 AM EST
    I'll definitely check it out. Barney's the man. (I had hoped he was on board with the Clintons, if only so he and his sister, Ann Lewis, wouldn't be fighting. I know, I'm a dork that way)

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    What's funny about her is (none / 0) (#31)
    by hlr on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:59:44 PM EST
    that it took her a month of Sundays to get on board w/ the NY delegation, remember? She was the holdout. When she finally endorsed, she said it was after a long process of consulting with her constituents ...

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    how to link (none / 0) (#37)
    by waldenpond on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:05:49 AM EST
    I don't know if you are having a tech problem, but here's what works for me..

    1.    Type the word 'link' (or any word/s)
    2.    I have the article I am going to link to open on my tabbed browsing. I copy the url address that is at the very top of my screen.
    3.    Highlight the word 'link'
    4.    Click the chain link button above the comment box.
         Note: mine is blocked so I must press my shield, select unblock and press the link button again.
    1.    Paste in the url. (the letters http are already in the box so make sure you override that)
    2.    Press preview to make sure you see you word in blue
    3.    Press post


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    Thanks! I think it's just a glich on my end (none / 0) (#62)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:37:22 AM EST
    it's worked fine in the past, but today seems touchy :)

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    a sample letter (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by not buying it on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:38:19 PM EST
    On the last thread, Grace asked about a sample letter that we might use to lobby super delegates.  I just drafted something rough for your consideration and use, and since this is my very first post, please be kind...or at least not cruel <grin>

    Dear Senator _____,

    I am writing to respectfully request that you honor the preference of the voters of (your state) by supporting their choice for the Presidential nomination.  Although you have spoken out in support Senator Clinton's opponent, I believe that this shows a lack of regard for your constituents which they may long remember if this opponent loses the November election.

    There is still time to do the right thing.  I urge you to look carefully at the electoral map - to consider the numbers of people who voted in primaries relative to the number voting in caucuses and also to view the number of delegates awarded in each case.  

    I would then ask you to seriously deliberate about what the numbers show about the future of the two candidates in November.

    While much has been made of the commitment to award the nomination based solely on pledged delegates, I am concerned that this rigid adherence to one philosophy, at the expense of other points of view, will only reward the Republicans in November.

    Please consider these things, as we are trying to elect a President who can not only repair the damage of the last eight years BUT can be the
    President for ALL of the American people.  Too many voices will be silenced if you continue on your current path.

    Thank you for listening, and best regards.

    _________

    This will be very interesting (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Melchizedek on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:39:49 PM EST
    Given that superdelegates can switch their vote at any time before the convention, the effort to nominate Hillary can continue no matter how much or how little she campaigns. How will she campaign, I wonder, given no more primaries? Which states would have the superdelegates she would hope to flip? Would she organize her appearances around Ohio, Florida, Michigan? What would make the most sense money and time wise before August? Obama is going to have the magic number with superdelegates by the end of this week. That doesn't mean he's won, but he does mean he will not be campaigning to convince superdelegates per se-- he will be forging ahead with the general (as would have Hillary if the situations had been reversed). I think Hillary's best chance is to go out and batter McCain better than Obama does.
    It would be an implicit competition with Obama without having to attack Obama.

    Excellent (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by blogtopus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:41:22 PM EST
    What do you think is the most effective?

    I'd think Fax, because it's in your hands (unless it's efax) and it's hard to deny that.

    I'm going to tell them a story of why Hillary means so much to me (it's the health care system; I pay $650 monthly for me and my wife because we're both 'pre-existing condition' victims), and the reasons why I think she would make such a strong leader in DC. I won't say why I think Obama is bad, or why I think he's illegitimate, just that Hillary has so many positives.

    Any other suggestions?

    From what I know (5.00 / 0) (#25)
    by Grace on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:54:29 PM EST
    they pay the most attention to constituents.  In fact, some will divide the mail they get into piles - constituents and non-constituents.  

    For that reason, I plan to only contact those where I think what I have to say might affect how they vote.

    Most of my officials are already for Hillary however...    

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    My people are Kennedy, Kerry, Deval Patrick (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:59:20 PM EST
    and Ed Markey.  I shot off a letter to Ed Markey, who's said to be Clinton-leaning but no commitment.

    Heck, the rest I'll write to to, for all the good it'll do.

    Parent

    Contact the ones for Hillary also (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:02:57 AM EST
    Thank them and let them know nicely you expect continued support for her. We don't need any flippers right now  ;)

    Parent
    agreed (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:10:59 AM EST
    only send to the superdelegates from your state. You are wasting your time otherwise. And, your first sentence should mention your residency so they know it.

    Parent
    Thanks for the suggestion (none / 0) (#48)
    by blogtopus on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:13:33 AM EST
    Here's a letter I've written so far:

    ------------

    Dear Senator/Representative/Whomever;

    I don't want to slow your day down with rhetoric and vitriol; let me get to the point quickly and tell you why I, ------------, think that supporting Hillary Clinton is the best thing for our country's future.

    1. Universal Health Care: Hillary's program, mandated, is the most cost-effective and most reasonable program yet proposed. Like Social Security, or having an Armed forces, it's one of the most important things we should pay for that we aren't, but we're paying much more for it in other ways.

    2. Experience: You and I both know that Hillary is no babe in the woods; it's no coincidence Bill Clinton was nicknamed 'Billary' in the White House. As a member of the Armed Forces committee, Hillary is privy to the most up to date information on our War on Terror, and knows who to talk to when the chatter increases. I'm not talking about a phone call at 3am; I'm talking about a briefing at 8am that she will take seriously.

    3. Middle Class Support: Hillary's supporters span a wide range of demographics, all of them with one thing in common: Middle Class needs and values. The Democratic party has always been about supporting and nurturing the middle class, please remember that this encompasses all races, genders, creeds and ages. What better group can you ask for when it comes to the support of your party? And we need you now, more than ever.

    4. Solutions-based: Hillary has provided a wide array of solutions and plans for the future of our country, which I won't list here for brevity. They are solid, they are written in ink, ready to go into motion January 20th, and they cover every major problem that affects our country today. There is no ambiguity, and no interpretive measures involved, which is a breath of fresh air compared to the last 8 years.

    5. She is a Fighter: Perhaps you heard about her primary campaign? LOL Actually I don't want to bring up facts or figures; I think it's just fair to say that at this point, I don't think anybody could ever accuse Hillary of not being ready to fight for what she believes in. And her ever-increasing popularity in national polling, coupled with her recent winning streak, shows her ability to look adversity in the face and accept its challenge. This is something we will always need; someone who isn't afraid to stare down a threat in the face of overwhelming odds.

    Finally, and I mean this, I want you to consider who it is that supports Hillary. We aren't young, but we're energetic. We aren't wealthy, but we've given when it's needed. We aren't tech savvy, but we can read about a looming economic crash and oil shortages in the next few years. We aren't stylish, but we have style because we're all Americans, and we love our country. And we know Hillary does, too. She fights for us. ALL of us.

    Please consider your decision as a Super Delegate, and it's responsibilities. You have a very important role to ensure a win in November, and that doesn't always mean you throw in with the candidate who has the most delegates, but the candidate who has the most support from the people that matter, your democratic party.

    Take care, and God Bless.

    -------------

    What do you think, folks? Let's work out a good letter for everyone to alter / customize.

    Parent

    Excellent reasoning (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by MisterPleasant on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:02:30 AM EST
    I kept my letters positive and avoided mentioning Obama entirely.  You also might point out her strong finish in the last three months of the primaries.  I think it is important that super delegates know that we Clinton supporters are aware of the voting patterns and polls, and that we can see that voters have responded to her campaign in the home stretch.

    On a personal note, I will soon be bridging my partner's health insurance until Medicare kicks in.  I cannot imagine paying $650/month.  All of us really need a fix to health insurance, and Hillary is the person to help us make that happen.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#43)
    by blogtopus on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:11:08 AM EST
    if I include dental and vision, it comes to $800 monthly. It is a good program, but we need it!

    Parent
    this is not an open thread (none / 0) (#53)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:18:10 AM EST
    Sorry My Bad (none / 0) (#57)
    by blogtopus on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:26:55 AM EST
    On Topic, though:

    I'm also going to be tooling a letter to send to various non-elected officials who are Super D's - there are quite a few.

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    As an independent worker (none / 0) (#55)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:22:07 AM EST
    with no pre-existing, it runs around $500+ around here. Luckily we have the freelancers union, so we can pay similar to getting it from an employer. For me, that's around $250-350. I don't think I could afford a pre-existing . . .   :(

    Parent
    Ha! Love the link! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Grace on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:45:27 PM EST
    I added a note to my congressman:  As you know, Clinton won in this district (YOUR district) and people like me (one of YOUR constituents) would like you to make the proper choice in representing your constituents (unlike your predecessor, ***).  Thank you for considering my request.  

    Since he mails me love letters all the time to let me know what he's doing in Washington, I hope he'll take the time to read this.  

    His predecessor lost his position after becoming a House Manager for the Clinton Impeachment.  That one move displeased the district immensely.  ;)

    So, we'll have to see what happens.      


    "August and no earlier" (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:50:24 PM EST
    I hope this isn't OT, but Tennessee Guerilla Women has a post on Clinton's continuing $ efforts.  They also say they have information from staff that they are Denver-bound.

    I figure it might give hope to folks who were somewhat depressed by all the concession-speculation in the MSM today.

    There's still time!

    of course she will be in Denver (none / 0) (#49)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:14:06 AM EST
    even if not a candidate. The unsuccessful candidates always attend the convention and are feautured speakers to show party unity. She'll be having an event to thank her supporters, so her staff needs to be there too. I wouldn't read anything into that.

    Parent
    The Denver part was my paraphrase, not (none / 0) (#71)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:04:01 AM EST
    TGW's.  They're reporting that one of Clinton's finance folks is circulating a letter saying the nomination will be resolved "in August and no earlier."

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    Heh, write your Supers (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:52:32 PM EST
    You may hold more power as an Indie  ;)

    I intend to exploit my unaffiliated status, lol!~

    you will be disregarded (none / 0) (#51)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:17:15 AM EST
    the Dems care about Dems.

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    Even if you live there? (none / 0) (#58)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:30:40 AM EST
    It seems they would want our votes. I'm obviously more than likely to vote Dem or not vote*, but it's still a vote in the GE and any elections upcoming for Supers. Many of us are in the Demo that could go either way. I think if a person leans and/or supports local Dems, they 'should' listen. They are supposed to be working for all of us. Maybe I'm spoiled by a certain Senator . . .

    A funny side note, my Mayor is an indie and has been mentioned as a VP choice for both Obama and MCCain, lol!~  ;)

    *recently went unaffiliated from Dem.

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    A superdelegate here in Fort Worth (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:53:45 PM EST
    Roy Laverne Brooks, is getting some attention right now.  She's an Obama supporter...or was, who knows?

    http://tinyurl.com/5zw76w

    I met her back @ the 2006 state convention.  I was volunteering for Democracy for Texas.  She's saying she may go for Hillary now.

    Unbelievable that Obama would strong-arm a Super that endorsed him to back down from running for a higher office.  I have contacted her to move to HRC's side where her support would be welcomed.

    New politix...gotta love it!

    Whoa, that story... (none / 0) (#60)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:33:44 AM EST
    ...is very disturbing, and the first I heard about it.

    Why are the national media not covering stories like this?

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    Easy to throw one super-D (none / 0) (#99)
    by stxabuela on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:39:22 AM EST
    under the bus when you can possibly get a net gain of 4 from the deal.  Boyd's wife, Betty, is also a superD (DNC member.)  The original plan was for them to split their votes, but stay neutral until after the state convention.  Boyd was supposedly threatened with a bloc vote against him by the Obama delegates, who have a slight edge at the convention.  The Obama camp guaranteed Boyd that Roy LaVerne would drop out of the state chair race in return for an add-on superD slot, IF both Boyd and Betty endorsed early and chose Obama delegates for the other 2 add-ons.  They'd lose the vice chair superD to a Clinton Hispanic, but it would be balanced out by Betty's switch to Obama.  Unfortunately, the Obama camp forgot to run the plan past Roy LaVerne first, and she is royally po'd about it.  Sorry if too OT, but this is a hot story here.  

    Parent
    For what it's worth (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:00:44 AM EST
    If Hillary intends to hold out until the convention, I don't think it would hurt to send multiple letters/e-mails (over a period of time).  I think doing that would let them know how important this is to you.  

    Also, Pelosi's daughter?  Does she represent a certain disctrict in California?  

    I found one of my old elected officials on the list (already committed to Clinton).  He was the only politician I've ever had who used to call me up just to see if I liked the job he was doing.  I'd never even met him OR contacted him.  He would just call out of the clear blue sky.  That was kind of different, to say the least.  

    my personal feeling (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by boredmpa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:40:18 AM EST
    is going to be glee glee glee when I vote tomorrow.  I have been looking forward to casting a vote against a certain leader-who-can't-lead for quite a while.

    pelosi has been such a disappointment. from her comments this spring, it appears the only thing she seems to have the interest in leading is the voters by the nose.


    Popular Vote (3.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:06:00 AM EST
    I just thought about this (because I forgot earlier) -- you might mention in letters (written today or next week) that Hillary won the popular vote.  

    That really is important.

    Just remember that Al Gore won the popular vote too and we all felt cheated when Bush was "appointed" President.  Democrats should be extremely sensative to this.  

    Shoot, we'll include those caucuses, np (1.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Radix on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:04:13 AM EST
    When do you suppose they'll release their vote totals?

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

    Sounds like a plan....will give it a whirl (none / 0) (#1)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:30:24 PM EST
    GO HILLARY!!

    Thanks! Done! (none / 0) (#6)
    by bjorn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:34:20 PM EST


    I wrote to Pelosi (none / 0) (#7)
    by Prabhata on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:34:32 PM EST
    because she's my representative.  I'm not sure she'll listen to me. I told her how I had volunteered for GOTV in 2006 and for Newsom and that I would not vote for Obama if he was the candidate.  But I was nice.  I said that Obama's friends were a bad reflection on his character and therefore he was 100 percent unacceptable.

    I'm gonna be shy... (none / 0) (#10)
    by k on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:37:34 PM EST
    'cuz if I'm not I just might wake up on one of those prison ships.

    Seriously tho, that's a great link. I'll put it at the top of tomorrow's to do list.

    Wow.. (none / 0) (#12)
    by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:37:57 PM EST
    I didn't know Nancy Pelosi's daughter is a superdelegate.

    Found that at this link posted.  Thanks for posting that btw.. off to use it now.

    yes and she has promised (none / 0) (#41)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:09:10 AM EST
    to support whichever Democrat finishes the race with the most elected delegates. (as opposed to superdelegates.) So that's Obama.

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    All free to e-mail (none / 0) (#15)
    by Redshoes on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:40:01 PM EST
     

    Thanks for the link! (none / 0) (#18)
    by reslez on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:46:09 PM EST
    It's nice to see the list for my state (MN). We went heavily for Obama so the SD line up is at least logical. I have to admit when Amy Klobuchar endorsed Obama it was one of my saddest days. Here's hoping Madia makes up for it by picking up the 3rd CD!

    The ridiculous thing about the need to lobby these SDs is that, as I see it, Obama could have ended the race any time he wanted.  He still can.  All he has to do is one thing: publicly offer Clinton the VP slot. Fine, OK, make it clear behind the scenes she'd spend the whole 4 years "sipping tea" -- whatever you need to do -- but it would immediately put the onus on Clinton to either bow out or get in line. If a VP candidate is supposed to help pick up states, it's clear Clinton is the best choice. If Obama passes up this opportunity it will become conventional wisdom on Weds Nov 5th that his VP selection was what sunk him.

    Write and tell them why they should change (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:11:49 AM EST
    their mind. Many may be having second thoughts.

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    I thought u advised (none / 0) (#56)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:24:15 AM EST
    us to stick to our own state reps?  That it would be a waste of time to write to others not in our district?

    I wrote many letters to representatives that were out of my district to voice my support for their actions, like when Jack Murtha and Chuck Hagel spoke out on Iraq and Sheila Jackson Lee came out for HRC.  It was nice that all these reps sent me correspondence thanking me for my letter.  Strangely I got put on Hagel's contribution fund seeking list?!!

    I wrote to Chet Edwards here in TX. He represents a REALLY conservative part of TX (includes a little place called Crawford) and made my case that he would be blasted in the media here for his association/endorsement of Obama, due to the extremely conservative nature of his consituency.

    Parent

    I meant (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:57:14 AM EST
    write to the ones in your district even if they have declared for someone other than your candidate.

    Parent
    How about (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:11:49 AM EST
    Jimmy Carter

    He's been the greatest disappointment

    or

    Al Gore

    For not standing up on voting rights.

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    And both should have spoken out against (none / 0) (#80)
    by bridget on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:02:25 AM EST
    the sexism and misogyny Hillary had to fight as a candidate from Day one. I am v. disappointed in Gore and Carter. I also expected more from Tipper Gore because she is v. smart and a great speaker and she used to defend Hillary in the 90s.

    But this is not just about Hillary. It's about the treatment of all women. And the silence from the Big Dems is so loud and makes it impossible to forget what happened during this campaign when the floodgates opened wide ...  

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    GOP, media won't allow women to forget (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Davidson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:19:33 AM EST
    That's what so outrageously stupid about the Democratic "leadership" endorsing the bigotry against Clinton (silence = complicity, especially when Dean spoke out against racism, even saying that any criticism of Obama because of Wright is somehow racist).  The GOP and its BFF, the media, will make sure the systemic level of abuse and anti-female hate directed at Clinton and her supporters, online and in real life, are exposed throughout the GE.  When you add in the fact that the Obama campaign has actively pushed this bigotry, with even Obama himself enjoying the misogyny, the fury will reach fever pitch by November.

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    Impressive list (1.00 / 2) (#74)
    by zebedee on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:06:05 AM EST
    This is an impressive list. I suggest you compile another list of people who have gladdened you, I'm sure it's equally impressive.

    I hope you don't become bitter. If you do I hope you have  some religion or some guns to cling to.

    Parent

    What is your problem? (none / 0) (#69)
    by SamJohnson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:01:57 AM EST
    David Geffen started the whole thing (none / 0) (#76)
    by SamJohnson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:11:54 AM EST
    Clinton, Obama Camps' Feud Is Out in the Open
    By Chris Cillizza and Dan Balz
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Thursday, February 22, 2007

    "Obama weighed in later. "It's not clear to me why I would be apologizing for someone else's remarks," he said in Iowa, where he had gone instead of the candidates forum because of a prior commitment. "My sense is that Mr. Geffen may have differences with the Clintons, but that doesn't really have anything to do with our campaign."

    At the forum in Carson City, Nev., ABC's George Stephanopoulos, the moderator, asked Clinton whether she agreed with her campaign spokesman that Obama should disavow Geffen's comments.

    Clinton did not answer directly. "I want to run a very positive campaign, and I sure don't want Democrats or supporters of Democrats to be engaging in the politics of personal destruction," she said. "I think we should stay focused on what we're going to do for America." She then added, to applause: "And, you know, I believe Bill Clinton was a good president. I'm very proud of the record of his two terms."

    New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson sided with Clinton and called on Obama to denounce Geffen's comments. "I think these name-callings are not good," he said. "I don't know Mr. Geffen. I don't know what was said. . . . But we don't need that. We Democrats should sign a pledge that we all be positive. That's what the American people want."

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    Why Naomi Wolf backs Obama (HuffPost article) (none / 0) (#79)
    by bridget on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:41:41 AM EST
    clip -
    "That is why Barack Obama has my vote. Of all the leading candidates, he is the only one on these issues who has consistently acted like a true American.

    And if I hear -- as I am likely to -- from legions of US feminists outraged at me for choosing this man over that woman, I will gladly sit down and explain why I am certain that these issues are so urgent that they overshadow absolutely everything else.

    Anyway, the man is a feminist; he has a woman-friendly policy vision. And while it would be a thrill to see the first woman elected President, in the last analysis, a real feminist need not define people or support on the basis of gender. Certainly not when our house -- with the precious Constitution held without representation within it -- is burning down."

    ---
    I am very disappointed Naomi doesn't sypport Hillary, needless to say.
    Last year Fonda said on TV she supported Hillary. Why she changed her mind I don't know.

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    Missing some context... (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:04:14 AM EST
    According to Wolf, who isn't acting like a "true American"?

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    Its all about integrity acc. to Wolff (2.00 / 1) (#87)
    by bridget on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:24:46 AM EST
    Obama just got more of it she thinks ....

    ergo truest American .....
    NW found a way so she could defend her vote. And this what she came up with.  

    see Huffpost article "Why Barack Obama Got My Vote" Feb 28, 2008

    Jan/Feb - this was the time when a lot of women (Ehrenreich wrote some odd stuff, too) and, of course, men jumped on the Obama bandwagon kool-aid in hand ;-)

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    If he's a feminist... (3.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Davidson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:24:32 AM EST
    ...then Rush Limbaugh is Gloria Steinem.

    Someone needs to tell Wolfe that repeating that tired talking point, "Voting for Clinton is voting for her gender," is misogynistic in its assumption that the only reason anyone would vote for her is gender while ironically ignoring how race is a deciding factor for many so-called liberal whites to prove themselves for "change."  And if Obama's policies are so woman-friendly where are they on his celebrated website?  Oh, that's right: the section for women is hardly even there.

    Actions speak louder than words and Obama's actions throughout this campaign have rung loud and clear.  

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    Obama and section for women (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by lynnebrad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:01:36 AM EST
    Why would you say he is not supportive of women's rights...based on what, the fact that his website does not have WOMEN blazoned in gold letters on the home page?

    He has a drop down menu which include all the major policy areas (and yes, women is included in there). He is pro-choice.

    Look, you may be unhappy that your candidate is not looking like she will get the nomination. But y'all need to get over it already. Life works this way. You can either support him as the only possible candidate, or not support him and know that you allowed that McCain to get elected. Elect him and he'll probably try to repeal your right to vote.

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    Obama and section for women (4.00 / 1) (#86)
    by lynnebrad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:04:44 AM EST
    One more thing...what has he done that is anti-women? You drop this veiled hint that "his actions speak." What exactly has he done that is anti-woman? Competing against a woman for the nomination is permitted, isn't it?

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    Jesus! (4.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Davidson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:39:17 AM EST
    Back up.  Don't come at me like that.  The hell I am merely "unhappy."

    Listen, his women's section and policy section are a joke compared to Clinton's.  His policy section must be recent because I've been checking that for months now.  And for the last time: having policies on his magical website doesn't mean jack.  Hence, actions speaking louder than words.

    When push comes to shove, he is not a champion for the basic rights of women and girls--at all.  He has proven that in spades, in profiting rather than speaking out against the outrageous misogyny directed at Clinton, which he has actually partaken in as well, and in his right-wing framing of Roe (For the record, Roe isn't the end all and be all of proving yourself not to be a misogynistic a**hat; hell, Howard Stern is strongly pro-choice and yet obviously the dude has issues).

    Have you not heard how he only avoided approving of Roberts because he feared it would hurt his presidential ambitions and that he defended those Senators who did?  Or how about his moralistic rhetoric on choice?  And why didn't he use his position as chair of a senate subcommittee that overseas NATO to hold one damn meeting, let alone one on our mission in Afghanistan, where the rise of the Taliban has led to the incredible suffering of countless women and girls?  He was too busy--campaigning for himself.

    Not once has he led the fight for a Democratic principle against the right, let alone win.  Why?  Because the man doesn't want to be "divisive."  Obama's pattern on controversial matters is absolutely clear, going back to his days in IL: cower to the establishment.  My God, the man even referred to the few Democratic voices speaking out against Bush throughout his administration as a petty "food fight."  Why the hell would anyone trust him to fight for women and girls, especially when his core base is so openly misogynistic?  You wouldn't.

    Clinton, on the other hand, is divisive: from her historic speech in Beijing championing the human rights of women and girls to twisting arms to make sure emergency contraception was available over the counter over FDA objection, she has been an unabashed fighter against misogyny.

    If you truly cared about the rights of women and girls you would never support a candidate who has engineered and depended so much on the misogynistic demonization of Clinton (and her supporters); you wouldn't support a candidate who only fights for himself; and you wouldn't support a candidate that cannot beat McCain.

    Oh, and if McCain is so horrible then it'll be up to the Democratic Congress to do its damn job.

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    Can I steal your post? (none / 0) (#90)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:45:37 AM EST
    It makes excellent points on Obama versus Hillary for those who don't get it.  

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    What about Iraq (none / 0) (#108)
    by lynnebrad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:53:07 PM EST
    First of all, I am not commenting on whether HC or BO is a better candidate. I am reflecting the reality that he is the likely candidate and all Dems are better served with BO or HC versus McCain. If she were the nominee, I would support her as avidly as I will support him because I want the Dems to win. Now if you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, it is a free country.

    Secondly, all that sounds great. However, IMO, the most significant issue she had to vote on, the Iraq war, she blew it. Completely, totally, 100% blew it. She supported the war, despite the fact that many other Dem leaders did not. Now why would she do that? Let's be honest here because there is only one reason. She voted for the war because she was campaigning for President. You accuse BO spending his time campaigning, but at least he did not vote to send thousands of American men and women to their death in Iraq...and, oh, I don't know, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqui innocents.

    She cannot walk away from that.

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    Too funny (2.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:41:16 AM EST
    But y'all need to get over it already. Life works this way. You can either support him as the only possible candidate, or not support him and know that you allowed that McCain to get elected. Elect him and he'll probably try to repeal your right to vote.

    Hey to you!  We're here for Clinton!  Just get over it already!

    And you think McCain is going to repeal our right to vote?  

    Yeah....  Really.  The Supreme Court is going to let him do that.    

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    Didn't you watch the DNC's Rules&ByLaws? (1.00 / 1) (#93)
    by katiebird on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:18:22 AM EST
    Elect him and he'll probably try to repeal your right to vote.

    Obama's friends on the DNC did this last weekend!  I wondered why.  But, I guess he HAD to steal Michigan's delegates in order to make tonights Victory Speech.

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    Your insistence on Obama, who's so weak in all (none / 0) (#97)
    by andrys on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:22:08 AM EST
    electoral college polling matches is what will "allow" McCain to get elected -- in fact, will encourage his election since all analyses that include the results from the various pollers and averages them show that Clinton easily wins vs McCain while Obama loses to McCain, at best tieing him in some areas before Obama's weakness are vividly highlighted by the Republican 527s.

      Congratulations.  But don't blame others for the results from your choosing to run the known weaker candidate in the GE, thus gambling with our lives.


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    This is not an open thread (none / 0) (#54)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:19:01 AM EST
    It's about sending letters to superdelegates.

    If you've written one, let us know what you said so we can get some good ideas going.

    What I said... (none / 0) (#101)
    by andrys on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:52:48 AM EST
    I used http://lobbydelegates.com to send to Uncommitted list and to pledged HRC delegates for my state and also to an Obama supporter who is my district's congressman.  As usual, what I wrote was too long, but...!    You can choose to send a contribution or to thank them for sending it via email and post for free.

    You can click here to see how my letter looks in their website letter-format.

    ------- Text of that -------
    (To George Miller)
    I am in your district and am writing to urge you to switch your Convention voting pledge from Barack Obama to Clinton and for the chance TO MAKE Change, to get the presidency in November with someone who has the energy, knowledge, enthusiasm for the tedium of solving problems, and a mastery of detail involved in the issues facing us.

    Please consider that all companies doing statistical analyses of all the electoral-college polling for matches against McCain show Clinton winning against McCain while Obama loses against McCain using the electoral college map.

      Note too that since March she has received 600,000 more votes than he and that she has won in the states we need strongly and has won by HUGE margins never seen before against a presumptive nominee, in WVa (41 pts), Kentucky (35 pts), and now Puerto Rico (36 pts).  (Obama is a weak candidate for us in Nov.)

      She will almost surely have won the popular vote also, and Michigan was unique in that Obama removed his own name and encouraged other Dems to do this, to isolate Clinton for Iowa purposes.  It was his choice to do that, and the vote is state-certified, so the voters should not be ignored there.  

      Florida was influenced by the paper-trail amendment we've long wanted - see my http://www.andrys.com/flballot.html
    for the strength of feeling re votes.  After that bill passed, the Florida party pushed an amendment to move the date BACK to Feb. 5 but the Republican majority voted that down.  So the party did try.  I am alienated from a party that would punish the Florida VOTERS for this.  And it of course influenced the momentum of the entire primary race.

      3% of the voting in the caucuses represented 14% of the party delegates given.  

      Please consider strongly which candidate will lead us to win the presidency in November.  Obama lost all his momentum after SOME of his past influences were made clear and there is much more to come from Republican 527's.  Can he withstand that as our presidential nominee?
      Please look at the primaries since March.

    CURRENT POLLING:  (Please check these and care about all of us)
    http://hominidviews.com/?p=1560
    Clinton: 100% probability of winning (May 26)

    http://hominidviews.com/?p=1561
      Obama:  37.3% probability of winning (May 26

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May28.html
     Electoral Votes:  Clinton 327  

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May28.html
     Electoral Votes:  Obama 266

    Popular vote totals:
     Shorter link for realclearpolitics: http://tinyurl.com/2hbf4a

    Latest polls:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

    Howard Dean told the Financial Times:
    "I think the race is going to come down to the perception  in  the last six or eight races of who  the best opponent for McCain will be.
      http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cb39916c-1329-11dd-8d91-0000779fd2ac.html

      I agree.  Please do your best for the Democrat Party by
    not overlooking Hillary Clinton.  A ticket headed by her and with Obama as VP would be a landslide victory for us.

      Otherwise, things are looking bleak, and I think you do realize that, and you do have the power to save us in November.

      Thank you for reading this and checking out the many current electoral-college poll results.  You already know what an unusually well-equipped candidate we have in Clinton.  It's crucial for all of us that we do have the chance to change the entire direction of this country in November.  

      [ They add your name and address here. ]

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    Well since CO (none / 0) (#59)
    by LoisInCo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:31:25 AM EST
    went to Obama I wrote my letter based on the RBC decision and pointed out that as we are struggling to turn our state blue and that the decision was a bad reflection on the party honesty. I requested they declare for Clinton in place of reassigned delegates to stand for integrity in the Democratic Party. I figure that they have heard all the other arguments anyway might as well give 'em something new.

    I didn't know (none / 0) (#64)
    by facta non verba on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:48:02 AM EST
    Carole Migden was a Super Delegate. I know her personally. She is in a tough race tomorrow, likely to lose her CA Senate race but I'll call her tomorrow.

    Done! (none / 0) (#65)
    by splashy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:48:22 AM EST
    Thank you for the link. I tried to do that on than website once before, but it was broken and it wouldn't go. Thanks so much for mentioning it again so I would follow through!

    Fortunately, in my state, almost every one of them are already in the Clinton camp. I am very pleased!

    Geez, I feel a little bad. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Radix on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:02:14 AM EST
    After seeing everyone else's thoughtful letters to their respected reps. I all said was "Please vote for Hilary or I wont vote for you". I might have to re-tool my talking points, hmmm.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah
     

    read the reports with the numbers (none / 0) (#75)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:06:13 AM EST
    those aren't the numbers used. Please don't false post information here. you will be banned.

    Jeralyn OT (none / 0) (#77)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:15:26 AM EST
    We need a new open thread!  This is important!

    White women take the gloves off

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    Wow! (none / 0) (#91)
    by mexboy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:13:23 AM EST
    Jeralyn,
    Thank you for the link.

    I have just written to all the supers in California and to my shock 3  supers in my district (people I voted for) are supporting Obama.

    They will get a call from me tomorrow, i will be nice but I will let them know that since I help put them in office I expect them to follow the will of the voters in California.

    The Link (none / 0) (#92)
    by melro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 06:29:15 AM EST
    You've given this link before. I used it. What a great way to get to all the SD's at once. Thanks.

    my letter (none / 0) (#94)
    by ccpup on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:36:42 AM EST
    if it's any help to anyone:

    The following fact (courtesy of Peniel Cronin's excellent Caucus v. Primary report available at www.talkleft.com) from this historic Primary Season should be helpful to you in making your decision on who to support for the Democratic Nomination:

    "The 140 pledged delegates lead Obama derived from the 12 caucus states he won is only 16 less than Clinton’s 156 pledged delegates won from all of these hard-fought, primary states: California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Indiana, Tennessee, Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, New Mexico, West Virginia, New Hampshire and Rhode Island.

    These Clinton-won states have a combined 220 electoral votes, 87.2 million eligible voters and cast a total of 18,400,000 votes in these primaries. Compare that with the Obama-won caucus states with a combined 69 electoral votes, 21.5 million eligible voters and only 944,000 total votes cast."

    Your choice in light of the above should be clear.  And, yes, there will be supporters upset regardless of what you decide.  But would you prefer they be supporters from two demographics we Democrats need in November or from several disparate groups (Hispanics, older women, blue collar voters, hard core Democrats) which have faithfully voted Democrat for generations and which we should not take for granted with an opponent like John McCain?

    Hillary Clinton -- outspent and with a media begging her to drop out since Iowa -- has shown she has the political skill, intelligence, strength and determination to effectively beat John McCain and the Republicans in November.

    Please support the strongest candidate we Democrats have as well as the candidate which won NY handily in our February 5th Primary.

    Thank you.

    Jeralyn, I just lobbyed my (none / 0) (#96)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:56:23 AM EST
    Superdelegates in Tx. Thank you so much for that link. Thanks to you and BTD and TL I have been so educated and enlightened to be able play an active and well informed role in this fight for Hillary.

    just did it for VA (none / 0) (#98)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:26:01 AM EST
    I wrote similarly but slightly different letters to each of the three groups. What's funny is that after I sent them out, I noticed that one of the Hillary delegates was Terry McAuliffe. Funny. I hope he won't mind getting a letter from me urging him to stick to his guns and keep his vote for Hillary.

    I did mention that they will be held responsible for their vote, and that if they vote for a candidate that doesn't win in November, we will remember that at election time. I was nice about it though and praised them for taking on this heavy burden, and that this responsibility is why we want them in that position, etc.

    Tuesday morning - the site works, but (none / 0) (#100)
    by songster on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:39:32 AM EST
    some of the navigation links are weird.  I persisted and finally got my letters faxed.  My theory is that email is too easily ignored (I certainly ignore mine a lot!).

    I kept it brief and made sure my basic message was in the first sentence on the theory that, at best, some staffer will read a sentence or two and add it to a tally.

    Thanks a bunch!


    Women PAC For Hillary (none / 0) (#102)
    by Missy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:15 AM EST
    Does anyone know which PAC for Hillary posted the full page ad in the New York Times and Roll Call...the one to the superdelegates..."You Are Not Hearing Us."  Also, is there a single group of Hillary supporters that will make a concerted effort to unite all of us that are angry with the manner in which Hillary has been treated, not to mention the democratic process?  I belong to and read a number of internet Hillary support websites, (thank you, Jeralyn!)but I can't seem to find one that will unite all of us for a common cause.  I'm so frustrated that we are not being heard, that the pundits think we all will united behind Obama once the primary is over! It seems there are many of us, but I was wondering if we all stood under one umbrella if the impact would not be more powerful.    

    Important post (none / 0) (#103)
    by suisser on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:21:47 AM EST
    Thank you Jeralyn.

    I wrote to encourage, to implore and to thank, as appropriate.

    Here's mine to Obama delegates: (none / 0) (#104)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:44:14 AM EST
    I am a Maryland voter concerned about our nomination. Having a President McCain is unacceptable in this year that we are winning special elections in red states. Currently, of the 2 potential nominees for our party, Senator Clinton is the only one who is polling well above Senator McCain. In aggregated individual state polls - they show Senator Clinton winning 300+ electoral votes to 240 for Senator Obama - the difference between winning and losing the White House.

    The 2 candidates are virtually tied - one has more pledged delegates and one has the popular vote. Our arcane nominating process give caucus states huge power - 3% of the votes made for 15% of the delegates which account for Senator Obama's lead. In 4 of those states the caucuses were followed by primaries which were mush closer and would have made the delegate count even. In Texas, their rules made the popular vote winner get less delegates. Arcane and cherry-picked rules made some important states lose delegates and even allocated unearned delegates to Senator Obama. We, as democratic Democrats, need to fix our primary system.
    This year, the Super Delegates will be deciding which candidate can win the White House back for us. I'm counting on you.

    Most importantly we need to win the White House. Senator Clinton is the candidate who can do this - as shown by polls as well as her tenacious spirit and willingness to fight and win.

    We need to fix all that the Bush Administration has broken - our Justice System, the Supreme Court, economic and environmental policy, just to name a few. and we need to fix Health Care. I believe Senator Clinton is the best for this tough job. And the one who can win.

    Please vote for her in Denver at our Convention. I know that you have supported Senator Obama so far - but this election is too important to possibly lose the White House.

    FL SD to announce today at 3:00 (none / 0) (#105)
    by Iphie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:21:01 PM EST
    If anyone is still reading this thread, Jon Ausman (he of the "Ausman Compromise" that gave us the 50% solution in FL) has said that he remains uncommitted, but will announce his endorsement this afternoon at 3:00. There's still time to call him.

    Jon Ausman (850) 386 - 1387 ausman@embarqmail.com

    HELP! with LobbyDelegates.com (none / 0) (#106)
    by denise on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:11:20 PM EST
    I press the Preview button after filling everything out, but nothing happens. I'm not blocking popups or scripts. Tried it in Firefox & IE. Is anyone else getting this?

    What normally happens when you press Preview? - is there a popup or what?

    Hello all--I hope I can contribute in any way.  Thank you for the LobbySD site (it's brilliant!)

    I have posted** a copy of letters I have written to the SDs (and don't forget the comedy shows if the time permits;)

    *LETTER Posted at End (long post). Please utilize as best you think. **Not every talking point is directly mine -- I have taken the main thrusts of various trains of thought and put together in letter form.

    I put it here in case any points might resonates with them and disseminate as widely, quickly, vigorously as possible--I will do whatever I can within my own limited skills and networks.

    I hope those more networked and tech savvy can help distribute any of these points that resonates with them to as wide and visible platforms as possible.  (i had to create an acct today in order to post;-)

    I have lobbied various states SD and have spent all night lobbying the SD and trying to articulate all the various injustices and arguments.  Does anyone else feel the outrage at the hypocrisy and injustice of 'our' DNC!?  Not only that, these party insiders are right now working to coordinate the SD endorsement announcements while the polls are still open--so he can have his Frank Capra moment with 'the people have spoken' SD count from today's election to reach the fuzzy 2118 number.

    The SD endorsements have been choreographed since this morning to force other SDs and of course, to manipulate the votes of Montana and South Dakota voters for his 'moment.'  Is this not yet another example of HIJACKING the election and taking advantage of the people's vote to achieve their completely manufactured, manipulated, non representative painfully obvious insecure performance.  Why do the SD feel they have to do this so Obama will be 'put over the top' by 'the voters.'

    *
    LETTER CONTENTS / 'TALKING POINTS'
    *

    Dear Super Delegate,

    I urge you to Keep YOUR Pledge for Clinton and stand up for the smothered 18+million who want a say in their future!!!  I implore you.

    PLEASE.

    Please Please Please do all you can to convince your colleagues to make the hard and tough decision expediency and fulfill the TRUST that American citizens have placed upon our automatic delegates to act in the people's best interests, for the Democratic Party, for ALL of us, for the best for America--for a TRUE STRIVING FOR A MORE PERFECT UNION.

    At least let the citizens feel still connected, still engaged, still important to the democratic process--let the  ENTIRE PROCESS play out...This is not opportunism or self-interest--this is PRINCIPLE.

    On the contrary, it smacks of opportunism and venal self-interest of the sitting delegates to switch at this last moment.  It hasn't escaped our notice that the super delegates out in front for Obama are the very junior  or recently elected super delegates...Certainly they expect the privilege of Obama's ear should he become President.  Surely they have counted on this as they continue their career in the Congress... How would you feel when you are pushed aside by a self-important inexperienced ambitious 'young turk' in your committees and coalitions?  Well, guess what--the public already feel this--will we really allow these brash, self-satisfied Gen Y young turks dictate the rules for all of us??!!

    And if one feels an absolute overwhelming urge and MUST-endorse-or-I'll-burst to do so in within 48 hours--at least have the personal responsibility and self-respect to stand in front of us and speak as an individual.  This endorsing-as-a-group really diminishes  you.

    Let us feel our votes at least mattered--that we are not brushed aside now that our minimal influence on the electoral college has been tapped.

    Although we know automatic delegates are intended to be the 'level heads, with the best interest of the party foremost' - the continuous drumbeat for Clinton to drop out smacks of bullying, emotional blackmail and in truth, reminded us of the threat of mob rule from over 200 years ago - exactly what the role of the super delegates was envisioned.

    Please implore your undecided, and your flip-flopping colleagues to heed the will of the people.  Shame on all of us if we go into  the next few years as yet again a 50-50 divided national though unlike in 2000, the backstabbing disenfranchisement silencing is being  to support the most influential inspirational woman best-of-what-the-Democratic-Party-is-about person for OUR NOMINEE!!!

    Please don't be strong-armed into flipping your support!!!  Please stand for the principles we believe represented the Democratic Party.

    As a Texas voter in San Antonio, I experienced firsthand the degree of commitment and passion of the voters for Sen. Clinton--it was a stunning accomplishment; she accomplished in 1 week before the vote what Sen Obama took months and money to reach!  Who else could have delivered such results in essentially 5-7 days?!!  She is phenomenal.  She's just not flashy.  She's always thinking, working, for US.

    I also know the ugly realities of caucuses.  I experienced firsthand the subtle and outright bullying, the intensity of the PEER-PRESSURE of your friends and neighbors.  To vote facing one's neighbors, colleagues, employers, friends, babysitters, teachers, and the inevitable neighborhood gossip is certainly a test of one's under the most intense of peer-pressures!

    I saw the Obama shirts at the disorganized mess of the caucus--and yes, they were worn by the ones 'organizing' the caucus meeting!!!  I saw the passionate seniors get such disrespect I cringed inside at their cavalier treatment of their elders!

    I got the calls from the Obama camp even after the vote to push me to contribute to his campaign!  They said they knew I voted for Clinton, but as a 'true Democrat'(?how insulting!) vote for Obama...it really is insult to injury.

    I saw it all and it sickens me.  It hurts all of us.  And mostly it saddens me that the principle of fairness is treated like a pesky INCONVENIENCE.  Perhaps the Bush-Chaney ethos of expediency-bullying-guilt by association-strong arming-emotionally manipulating of the public really has become the norm?)

    **Wow.  This FALSE ALERT on Clinton's SUPPOSED CONCESSION speech tonight is in line with what Clinton-supporters have experienced during these months from the Obama supporters.  This is NOT the party of unity, diversity and 'new way' of working for the people.

    Clinton supporters early on were very positive towards all democrats--we all felt the elation didn't we?  Clinton supporters did not outright criticize, attack, or negatively act toward Obama..BUT this certainly was NOT what we were graced with by the Obama supporters, away from the public eye!...The sheer vitriol and violently personalized attacks from DAY 1...Where was Obama for all this?  Where was his famed diplomacy at his own campaigners despicable acts and writings?

    NO!, this was something more than inaction or complicity.  This is calculating self-interest and more offensively:  HYPOCRISY.   This is NOT the Obama promised for unity that his supporters seem to claim as some moral higher ground over everyone else.  From the very beginning, we have endured this--their tactics are so dirty, so unrelenting, so cruel, and so subtle...Many of the attacks on the net will turn your stomach.  I challenge you to read up on their postings and publications--these will be the standard-bearers for the future of the Democratic Party??!  This convenient blindness, deafness to this throughout this time is most definitely spurs our 'anger'.

    This is his 'judgment' and leadership?!  Where was he when we were steered away from the polling booths by jeering Obama groups, handed false information flyers, false press releases, false cries of racism?  BUT who were depicted by the media and others as the negative, destructive, divisive forces in the DNC?  Who has constantly fed the 'race narrative' in the media and messages to the delegates?  Who has really contributed to the disenfranchisement of our fellow citizens and in our own party??!!

    As a student of race and gender relations and various 'codes' of expression, his supporters were milking the race card from the very beginning.  We were embarrassed for you at being so easily played, so easily manipulated?  In fact, do you really think the photo of Obama in tribal dress could have ONLY come from the Clinton camp?  Do you really think postures of outraged sensibilities of racism were always sincere, not manufactured?  They played you and they are laughing all the way to the White House and YOUR Congressional seats.

    **Wow...I wonder who REALLY leaked the AP Report on Clinton's supposed concession speech tonight??!!  Wow--not even bothering to mask the bullying and intimidating that  marked this whole campaign.  What a  nasty underhanded way to discourage  her  supporters, to discourage turnout of Clinton voters  in South Dakota and Montana, where Obama's Frank Capra moment is to be made?

    PLEASE STAND UP FOR HILLARY CLINTON and the 18+MILLION of US!!

    PLEASE convince your undecided colleagues to let the people have their ENTIRE democratic process.  An open, transparent, healthy, honest debate will only continue to drive the unprecedented interest of the people in the election.  Do not take this for granted.  Do not assume the same level of interest will continue.  After all, we will have already felt the oppression of autocracy.

    Please continue to stand up for us and ask undecided Super Delegates to not endorse until the whole process plays out.  We have all worked so hard for this; the people deserve to still play a part and be able to FINISH it!

    Please don't let them discard us now, now that we have played our minor role for the electoral college are we to sit demurely by and wait for our instructions from the DNC 'leaders'?!

    The exuberance of the early days in the rallys was spurred by the collective exhilaration, relief, hope, and exhilarating anticipation we ALL felt at the ending of the Bush-Chaney autocracy.  Do you truly think the elation, hope, optimism that swept the nation at the start was something solely sparked by one individual?  

    And with all due respect, delegates are partly responsible to our collective built-up frustration at  the ineffectiveness of the sitting Democratic leaders during these Bush-Chaney years was additional kindle for the yearning for change that burns in all of us.  

    We have played our asked-for negligent role in the electoral college in good faith, entrusting in the wisdom, experience, level-headedness of our automatic delegates.  Do not force-guilt-manipulate the people with the threat of McCain to enforce our vote; and do not dump your responsibility should this happen on Clinton or her supporters.  We have done our part; Now  please live up to your responsibility and do justice to the TRUST the people have placed in you.

    Please don't let this become another Anita Hill / OJ verdict fallout / Or this historical moment be used as an (incorrect) example of the inequality  'Affirmative Action' less qualified candidate (especially as we know that this popular depiction of AA is NOT what AA is; They conflate this as a quota system).

    The rumbles grows--Will it turn into a spectacle in the future in which Obama will be unmasked as the coldly calculating, ambitiously opportunistic run for the presidency in the year where the strongest candidate is a woman?  Whether this is true or fair does nothing to blunt this impression.  The 'call' to the presidency as Obama has been spinning as his 'moral duty' reveals the true disingenuous actions of a the true slick player.

    **Another case in point--this manufactured roll out of endorsements for Obama while the polls are still open, where the PEOPLE'S VOTE will once AGAIN be HIJACKED for expediency, ulterior motives, NOT 'above the fray' ideals.  

    Of course, should he ever be critiqued for this tactic, it will no doubt be claimed as Hillary Clinton's fault (I hear she is responsible for the El Nino too).  Of course not only will she be accused of (fill in blank), she will also, most gallingly, be forced to 'clean up' any mess Obama or the delegates make along the way!

    Apparently anything that needs to be done has to be done by Hillary Clinton--the people want her because she speaks for us and importantly--she delivers!!!  How can the DNC continue to be complicit in the abuse of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution?  What moral ground can the DNC ever claim after this?!

    CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE used to be a cornerstone of the Democratic Party and the catalyst behind REAL CHANGE--this process is painful, gut-wrenching, soul-searching, but necessary....and also cleansing and healing and invigorating and REAFFIRMING.  We will need a real RITE OF PASSAGE to address the rips in the DNC--this is the spirit behind the intent of a party Convention--we will need to viscerally experience and benefit from the long-simmering-long-ignored unfinished promise of the Civil Rights Movement.

    The civil rights movement has shown that idealism AND civil disobedience are not contradictory, or divisive or destructive but NECESSARY.  This election is too important!  This is too momentous to be hurriedly  brushed over or be easily soothed by lip service words and impotent acts.  Do not stomp on the people's sense of civic duty and pride in American ideals that allows such important historical moments to count!

    PLEASE STAND UP FOR HILLARY CLINTON and 18 MILLION+ of AMERICAN CITIZENS!!

    Make us believe in the democratic process, that we ALL MATTER!  

    Make us BELIEVE again.

    Thank you for your strength, support and leadership.

    DICK CHANEY---The DNC's New Role Model...?` (none / 0) (#109)
    by sos2008election on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 05:57:08 PM EST

    This denial of the will and silencing of the people reminds me too much of the moment when CHANEY responded in an interview:  SO?!?

    The DNC should not let this year be any where a reflection of 2000; Democrats would never be credible or stand on PRINCIPLE if this is allowed to happen.

    ***THOUGHT:

    These points (especially 2000 elcetoin) are very defensive points to the DNC; They have done anything they can to have plausible denialibity in terms of the will of the majority of the people.

    HENCE:  Spread these 2 examples as often as widely as possible.  If it gets enough coverage the media may even feel like they have to actually report anything that supports Clinton.


    DEMOCRACY (none / 0) (#110)
    by chopper on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:24:14 AM EST

    Hillary Clinton 17,673,329 (50.45%)

    Barack Obama 17,355,652 (49.55%)

    DO WE GO WITH LEGITIMATE VOTES AND DEMOCRACY,

    OR WITH CORRUPT CAUCUSES AND DISPROPORTIONATE DELEGATES ?

    PELOSI SAYS GO WITH THE WILL OF PEOPLE.

    THAT SOUNDS LIKE GO WITH THE PEOPLE'S VOTES, DOESN'T IT?