Obama's O'Reilly Whines

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:13:49 PM EST
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Too funny. Keith "Obama's O'Reilly" Olbermann goes to the Big Orange Satan's site to whine that Clinton went on Fox. Apparently he missed his eternal love Barack Obama's Fox News Sunday appearance. Paul Krugman did not.

Obama's O'Reilly is now as big a joke as the original. Can we rule out the possibility that he will lead with the Kantor video story? Not entirely. And no, he will not accuse the Obama campaign of being behind it, as he would if the shoe was on the other foot. For the record, Obama was NOT behind it imo and it would be irresponsible for any journalist to even speculate about it. And yes, Olbermann is an irresponsible journalist who HAS speculated in irresponsible fashion in this way when it comes to Hillary Clinton. Remember PassportGate?

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only.

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Obama's O'Reilly Whines | 209 comments (209 topical)

It's a ridiculous whine (5.00 / 9) (#3)
by andgarden on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:20:09 PM EST

And actually, it's unprofessional.

Olbermann's just jealous (5.00 / 2) (#93)
by Josey on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:10:56 PM EST

Didn't Hillary's Fox interview generate lots of viewers?

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best ratings all year (5.00 / 1) (#101)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:39 PM EST

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: O'Reilly Beat Olbermann In Ratings By 668 (5.00 / 6) (#114)
by MO Blue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:16:13 PM EST

That was 283 better than on the previous night.
Olbermann is a WATB and is no better than those he so righteously criticizes.

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And what's (5.00 / 7) (#180)
by cal1942 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:38:28 PM EST

even more ridiculous is that Obama pandered to the Fox crowd while Hillary stood her ground and put it in O'Reilly's face.

KO and the rest of the Obama crowd neither recognize nor admit reality. even when it bites them in the arse.

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Dean is going on Fox (5.00 / 3) (#4)
by DCDemocrat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:21:39 PM EST

this Sunday morning.

CDS (both meanings: derangement and (5.00 / 3) (#5)
by andgarden on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:22:25 PM EST

double standard).

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Bad decision imo (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:24:47 PM EST

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Indeed, but is it (5.00 / 4) (#13)
by andgarden on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:26:05 PM EST

more pathetic and revelatory than it is outrageous.

???

heh.

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: Obama's O'Reilly is an Open Book now (5.00 / 2) (#18)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:31:43 PM EST

No need for further revelations from him.

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: Olbermann's post sure is (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:45:55 PM EST

Not sure about Obama's trip to FOX

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I honestly think its time to end (5.00 / 4) (#57)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:54:28 PM EST

the boycott FOX thing.
FOX is just as reputable as MSNBC or CNN.
in fact there is an argument to be made they are more reliable in their reporting.
if they appear on those there is no logical reason for them to not appear on FOX.

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and yes (5.00 / 1) (#61)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:55:26 PM EST

I would bet my next paycheck he will lead with the story.

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So, why not boycott Countdown? (5.00 / 1) (#70)
by Chimster on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:00:06 PM EST

If KO were truthful in his assaults on the Clintons, I wouldn't mind. But he's spewing slanderous propaganda against half of his own party? Why isn't this clown being boycotted? Fox is fine with me for the moment, because they are offering millions of voters a chance to see a Dem candidate they would otherwise never pay attention to.

A boycott would AT THE LEAST draw attention to KO's bias and self-party trashing. We could claim he's helping divide the Dems. And if you really want to make a dent, boycott his advertisers. That's where you can hurt Olbermann the most.

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I have been for weeks now. (4.66 / 3) (#151)
by mrjerbub on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:50:06 PM EST

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i do (none / 0) (#183)
by jedimom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:46:46 PM EST

i have been boycotting MSNBC for weeks now too
I tuned in exactly once to see Hillary on Obamamann

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MSNBC deserves it, but... (none / 0) (#202)
by Chimster on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:39:03 PM EST

We don't have a leg to stand on against MSNBC if there are Hillary supporters on that channel (Scarborough for instance). It's best to focus on a specific target. A specific goal. Countdown. It's much easier to boycott televison advertisers when it's a TV show rather than an entire network.

And "not watching" is not the same as boycotting. Literally, writing to the advertisers, and telling them that you will not use their product, and will warn others not to purchase the advertiser's product because of the way Keith Olbermann has attacked his own party falsely. We will not stand for his slander, and will not purchase any goods or services from advertisers that promote his lies and vicious attacks.

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: Scarborough a "supporter"? (none / 0) (#207)
by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:51:38 PM EST

I don't know about going that far -- he is a Repub. after all. The difference between him an Tweety, KO, et al is that he hasn't bought into the idea that Obama is THE ONE and thus, can give credit where credit is due -- ie, admiring Hillary for her "toughness." Also, I think he is kind of mocking (in a funny way) the journalists who are in the tank for Obama.

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I, and everyone I know (none / 0) (#190)
by JavaCityPal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:01:36 PM EST

who used to watch Olbermann stopped after his pandering to Obama on the first Rev Wright event followed by his slapping across the face commentary against Hillary. He has absolutely nothing of value to contribute to serious news.

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I, and everyone I know (none / 0) (#191)
by JavaCityPal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:02:38 PM EST

I agree (5.00 / 1) (#103)
by Manuel on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:13:28 PM EST

The boycott is self defeating. If people go on Fox and take on their arguments at least viewers will see that there is another rational side. Not to mention that it shows courage. We should, of course, insist that guests be treated with respect. Both Obama and Clinton were treated respectfully. Fox is a media company, they will change their attitude if it helps them expand their audience.

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: in a hopey, changey world... (none / 0) (#196)
by kimsaw on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:13:05 PM EST

we're all winners- right? Why can't we all just get along? Seriously, it was stupid not to show up on Fox, the other news networks play their bias in the open just as much, if not more. Olbermann is as bombastic as O'Reilly. Hannity is hard to stomach, but if Colmes was Clinton that would be a show!
I used to watch Olbermann all the time. He has gone off the deep end. He lacks credibility and is part a of a vast digital waste land. I did watch Clinton on Countdown. I thought that Olbermann feigned respect in a tense yet reserved voice when Clinton was interviewed.
At least O'Reilly's interview was less stressed in tone, respectful and engaging with Clinton. It was fun to watch.

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there's never been a Fox boycott here (5.00 / 1) (#123)
by Jeralyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:22:46 PM EST

I've appeared on their network for the past 10 years and will continue to do so. I watch their shows. I have gotten to know many of the anchors and producers and reporters personally and I like almost all of them.

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: didnt mean you (none / 0) (#130)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:30:28 PM EST

but in left blogistan more broadly.

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Tragic words (5.00 / 2) (#181)
by lambert on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:41:12 PM EST

"FOX is just as reputable as MSNBC or CNN. "

Sigh. I agree.

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that ship has sailed (5.00 / 2) (#110)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:52 PM EST

They're all going on Fox now. Fox wins this round.

The best we can hope for is that Dean will not join Nancy and dismiss the Unity Ticket idea. It will prove he doesn't care about winning this election.

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: All they had to do (none / 0) (#192)
by JavaCityPal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:05:22 PM EST

was sit back and wait until viewers got tired of the MSNBC switch from balanced to biased.

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will you be writing about it on DKos? (none / 0) (#85)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:07:20 PM EST

It's an idea.

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Oh Noes! (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Lahdee on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:25:43 PM EST

There'll be palpitations in O land.

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Confusion (5.00 / 2) (#7)
by MaryGM on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:24:35 PM EST

As a Clinton supporter, I'm obviously not going to cheer a diary like that. But I like to consider myself pretty far from the kind of cognitive dissonance that a diary like that requires.

I read it twice, trying to understand exactly where this man is coming from. I can't. And my own biases may not be helping, but how can anyone with even an ounce of sense not read that and think anything less than, "HOW are you a journalist?" And for the love of God HOW is it OK for Obama to do it but horrific if Clinton does?

He is NOPT a journalist (5.00 / 6) (#9)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:25:24 PM EST

He is Obama's O'Reilly.

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There are few journalists left, anywhere (5.00 / 4) (#47)
by NotThatStupid on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:47:54 PM EST

At least, not going by the definition I learned in the journalism classes I took in college.

Journalists tell you what happened, not what you are supposed to think about it.

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: It's all about the meta (5.00 / 2) (#182)
by lambert on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:43:22 PM EST

Meta-leadership, meta-journalism.

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KO is no O'reilly (5.00 / 2) (#160)
by felizarte on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:07:24 PM EST

that would be giving KO credit he does not deserve. O'reilly has acted more professionally than him in his treatment of Clinton. O'reilly took her on and conducted a healthy debate with her. KO, could not confront Clinton on issues; just attacked her after she was gone.

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Pappa Bear's Understudy. (none / 0) (#19)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:31:54 PM EST

...sounds about right.

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Never understood (none / 0) (#49)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:48:46 PM EST

his daily obsession with O'Reilly. Why did he have to have something about him every day?

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: Only one at a time (none / 0) (#194)
by JavaCityPal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:09:05 PM EST

Now that he's obsessed with Hillary, and the world is getting so tired of hearing people bash one another, KO has lost all credibility.
I did read that Aaron Brown is coming back to TV, PBS, I think. His opinion is that KO is better than BO'R. I think Aaron needs to watch a few more recent shows.

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This is what some people have been (5.00 / 4) (#15)
by pie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:29:19 PM EST

saying all along. We've learned some very hard lessons and viewed some very uncomfortable realities in this campaign. We've been shaken to our very core.

If we emerge from it stronger and better, it's all good.

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Did O'Reilly's ratings (5.00 / 4) (#10)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:25:35 PM EST

when Hillary appeared have anything to do with the whining? -- where O'Reilly's ratings nearly doubled in the demo? and crashed Olbermann's ratings.

Link

Gee, you'd think people would be whining about Hillary going on Olbermann's show. It's a much more unfriendly place for Democrats than Fox News. It's certainly unfriendly for me! Olbermann is such an a*s.

Democrats should have no loyalty to Olbermann.

The fact that the video came from Drudge (5.00 / 3) (#12)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:25:46 PM EST

should immediately demonstrate its obvious lack of credibility. Obviously, it was a right-wing attack on Senator Clinton because Drudge is a right-wing hack.

Duh.

Democrats used to know who, and what, Drudge was.

My world is upside-down and backwards these days.

: Democrats? (5.00 / 2) (#193)
by cal1942 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:07:46 PM EST

"Democrats used to know who, and what, Drudge was"
Who says these people are actual Democrats. The Boyz include at least two "former" Republicans, at least one DLCer and three who supported the invasion of Iraq.

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Forensics (5.00 / 2) (#14)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:27:44 PM EST

I hope that some responsible journalist or Kantor gets some lawyers and nail whoever did this. It makes me sick. This viral use of the internet is getting out of hand.

He insults Edward R. Murrow (5.00 / 4) (#17)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:31:38 PM EST

By posting that diary on Daily Kos, Keith just crapped all over Murrow's memory and the profession of "journalism"

I know we've come to expect a lot of horribly unhinged and biased behavior from MSNBC but even I am surprised at how far he went with that diary.

He just couldn't help himself, could he? Had to post that hypocritical rant while the rabidic foam was still bubbling.

What hypocrisy from him and anyone at Daily Kos who piles on when their own candidate just finished doing the same thing!

MSNBC (5.00 / 2) (#27)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:37:23 PM EST

hae proven their hostility to Dems Not Named Obama.

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They tingle and they mingle (5.00 / 3) (#95)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:11:27 PM EST

why can't Obama just be single?

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Clinging (5.00 / 3) (#104)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:13:35 PM EST

while tingling, oh my.

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: everybody now! (5.00 / 1) (#115)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:16:28 PM EST

join in

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Is "rabbidic foam" even a phrase? (5.00 / 3) (#79)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:04:44 PM EST

I just looked it up on Google and realized it wasn't. Sorry about that Keith, but he should be flattered that he's adding words to my dictionary because his behavior is becoming hard to describe.

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LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#89)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:08:31 PM EST

diet cream soda => keyboard

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sounds like (5.00 / 5) (#100)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:34 PM EST

some sort of galactic cloud where rabbis are formed.

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Oh my GOD... lol!!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:18:57 PM EST

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The Power of the Schwartz (5.00 / 5) (#142)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:44:05 PM EST

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: I wish I could give you extra upratings (5.00 / 2) (#163)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:09:08 PM EST

for the SpaceBalls reference!
LOL x 47,000!

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: Space Balls! (5.00 / 2) (#184)
by cal1942 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:52:04 PM EST

Always happy to be in the company of Mel Brooks fans.

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I read one paragraph. (5.00 / 2) (#23)
by MarkL on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:35:56 PM EST

Could have been written by TINS.

heh (5.00 / 2) (#32)
by Turkana on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:40:27 PM EST

at least kagro has the integrity to post about both candidates sucking up to faux. but how fair and balanced of keith.

they have to now (5.00 / 2) (#36)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:11 PM EST

Obama does especially, after Wright crippled his public image as a centrist.

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no question (5.00 / 3) (#52)
by Turkana on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:50:26 PM EST

and i've written that i don't blame obama for doing it. i'm not happy about any of them doing it, but he's in serious damage control mode. what most amused me, though, was that he held out his having been criticized on "the daily kos" as proof that he's no crazy liberal.

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A bit OT, but I am so angry (5.00 / 3) (#109)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:30 PM EST

at these gutless politicians who allowed the word "liberal" to become a slur.

It won't be rehabilitated, IMHO, till we start investing in the liberal agenda again, then calling it what it is. Universal health care? Liberal. Investing in science and renewable energy and jobs and infrastructure? Liberal.

Once we show how well the liberal agenda works for America, how scary will it continue to be?

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Balanced Budget (5.00 / 3) (#152)
by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:51:40 PM EST

and deficit reduction....Liberal.

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social security, medicare, medicaid (5.00 / 3) (#162)
by Turkana on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:08:13 PM EST

civil rights, voting rights, environmental protection... LIBERAL!

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: liberal (5.00 / 2) (#185)
by jedimom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:52:30 PM EST

neighborhood reinvestment act making home loans to low income workers-liberal

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Any Big Orange commenters point out (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:46:03 PM EST

to KO that BHO was on Fox too?

Too averse myself to go over and check.

Where's Hillary's O'Reilly? (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by Chimster on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:47:12 PM EST

Instead of attacking Olbermann, which I must admit has become my favorite pastime, can't we get a pro-Hillary pundit (assuming there must be one--Abramson?) to blog here and unfairly attack Obama? Heck, they don't even have to be Democratic at this point (Joe Scarborough). Anything to help create a narrative that contradicts Olbermann's insane bias against Hillary.

: Hee! (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:11:26 PM EST

A funny idea. But unfair attacks are not countenanced here.
That's why me lurve TalkLeft.

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: the funny thing is (5.00 / 1) (#113)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:16:12 PM EST

the closest thing to this can be found on FOX these days simply because the report the actual news without the "how to get Hillary out of the race" crap.
I swear I almost pulverized my teevee the other night while watching Joke Line with that ditsy CNN prime time woman talking about "what it would take to get Hillary out of the race".
the decided it would take and IED.
now, can you imagine what would happen if they said that about the Prince?

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Edward R Murrow (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by mmc9431 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:49:08 PM EST

If he has any relatives that care about his reputation, they should insist that KO quits quoting him. KO is definitely no Murrow.

I see little (5.00 / 3) (#53)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:50:40 PM EST

difference between Fox and MSNBC. As far as I'm concerned, those who think they're different are trapped in old school thinking.

MSNBC HATES Hillary. Fox Hates Hillary, but less so. Both are destructive to Democrats, but MSNBC wants to divide Democrats, thereby destroy Democrats.

What's different?

I posted this at KOS (5.00 / 2) (#59)
by flashman on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:55:15 PM EST

Dear Keith,

I was once a loyal fan. I was in since the earliest days of "Countdown." I once thought of you as a fair broker of news and information. But that was before you went completely in the tank for Obama. You're vile hatred for all things Clinton has contaminated your show, and rendered you no longer objective or honest. It was a shame to see you devolve to nothing more than another cable political hack. You've become a joke in many netroot circles; only here is the utterance of you name not be greeted with a mixture of snickers and groans. I hope you will be cancelled soon.

I'll bet you (none / 0) (#157)
by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:04:20 PM EST

that your comment went to HC in record time and got trounced further by TU's. :-)

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Naw. (5.00 / 1) (#176)
by Fabian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:29:18 PM EST

But someone got smacked down for dissing Maya Angelou. They do have some kind of standards there.

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: Good to know (none / 0) (#179)
by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:35:49 PM EST

they haven't totally lost perspective. I haven't been there in weeks.

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Rewriting history (5.00 / 9) (#63)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:56:08 PM EST

Hillary goes on O'Rielly and trounces him at each and every turn. Millions watch it. O"Reilly, huffing and puffing, thought he would demolish her and he ended up looking like the lightweight that he is. He then does this whole thing after the interview with two women, explaining, "why he was not hard on the little woman", cause with a man, he could lean over and get in his face etc. With a woman, he had to go soft, cause, well, it would be seen as crude.

Give me a break. She cleaned his clock.

On the other hand Obama went on Wallace's show to clean his clock and did no such thing.

Now, Obama's O'Reilly, tell me why you have never managed to spank O"Reilly like Hillary did? Or for that matter no other Progressive or Democrat. It was a breath of fresh air to watch her trounce the windbag.

He didn't even have the guts to spank Hillary... (5.00 / 5) (#67)
by Maria Garcia on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:58:52 PM EST

...when he had her on his show. He is gutless.

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How dumb of Keith (5.00 / 4) (#71)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:01:03 PM EST

He should lead with O"Reilly having been take out to the shed by Hillary then trying to cover it up with the "I took it easy on the girl". Shows you that when you embed with a side, you miss the news.

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: Before the Hillary Hate, (5.00 / 4) (#121)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:21:29 PM EST

Olbermann would have made fun of O'Really for getting beaten up by a girl.
It would have been sexist, but funny.

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So Keith had Hillary on... (5.00 / 6) (#64)
by Marco21 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:57:12 PM EST

because she needed free air time? How thoughtful of him. I am sure getting a bounce in his ratings had nothing to do with it.

Seriously, this guy went from 0 to douche in a nanosecond. if anyone at MSNBC cared, and they don't, he'd be removed from their election lineup. His Pennsylvania election night anchoring was shamefully partisan.

Ratings (5.00 / 1) (#82)
by mmc9431 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:16 PM EST

Maybe Olberman is doing this for the future of his show. Maybe he believes Hilary is going to win. Then he'll have story lines for 4 more years. If Obama wins he and his show will be toast. How will he be a critic of the man he's touted for the last 6 months? And his type of show survives for conflict.

And why did she say that? (5.00 / 6) (#84)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:07:06 PM EST

So that they can be taxed more. Are you people so demented? Did you not follow the discussion? ARe you arguing that she said the higher income people should be taxed to what they were taxed in the 90"s. I swear you people make me sick. You are all a bunch of a$$ es.

Is Keith Obamaman serious? (5.00 / 4) (#88)
by GOPmurderedconscience on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:08:23 PM EST

Even if Bill O'Reilly want to write a pathetic column with a fake Keith Olbermann ID, he would not have ben able to write anything this ridiculous.

Jesus Howard Christ!

What was that? He rambled from Hillary Clinton's interview to Ann Coulter and took a detour to Winchell. After reading this, my question was huuuuh?

How much deeper can this guy fall?

I think the fact that his nemesis more than tripled his ratings with that interview must have driven Keith insane.

OMG Another one of them post!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by feet on earth on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:08:37 PM EST

Enough already - said and replied a million time

Never having to admit you were wrong. (5.00 / 1) (#92)
by Radix on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:10:35 PM EST

This is the real pleasing part of Obama. It's not your ideas that were wrong, he tells republicans and conservatives, you were betrayed by the Washington leadership.

Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

: It also helps (5.00 / 2) (#120)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:20:03 PM EST

to have an magic memory eraser handy (stamped IACF!), so that you can forget every mistake Obama has made almost immediately after he makes it.
Ah, my Kool-Aid is grape today! MmmmmMMMMmmm, grape.

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Yawn. (5.00 / 6) (#96)
by pie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:11:43 PM EST

They miss you at Kos. Go home.

Quite a stretch there (5.00 / 2) (#97)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:11 PM EST

about a clipped syllable. That's all you've got?

but Obama (unlike Clinton) is too honorable to go down into the Rovian cesspool just to win the nomination.

Ummm.... So Fox show w/Obama is OK, but Fox show w/Clinton is a cesspool, right?

Gee (5.00 / 1) (#98)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:14 PM EST

You may want to quote that text IN CONTEXT. However, I suspect, you copied it straight from the Orange O-Propaganda machine.

My, my, my. I think that's all I have to say.

Why are you so sure about Obama... (5.00 / 4) (#141)
by dianem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:43:45 PM EST

...not being behind this? It's the kind of thing Axelrod is known for. This is the campaign that accused Bill Clinton of racism when he compared Obama's campaign to that of Jesse Jackson. This is the campaign that accused Ferraro of being a racist when she said that Obama was lucky to be who he was, because a woman with his experience would not be as successful. This campaign turned the phrase "shuck and jive" into a racist insult, even though it wasn't aimed at Obama, and claimed that Clinton had insulted Martin Luther King by saying that Johnson helped pass the Civil Rights Act. Each time they accused Clinton's supporters of racism, their popularity went up.

It would be irresponsible for the media to suggest that this came from Obama's campaign, but it is equally irresponsible to deny the possibility given the evidence that this campaign has used charges of racism in the past to defuse the impact of Clinton's supporters. I wish I could be as sure as you are that Obama's campaign had nothing to do with this. But nearly every time a Clinton supporter comes out and gets some press, somebody finds something racist about them. Either there are a lot more racists in the Democratic Party than we had previously supposed, or "there is something rotten in Denmark".

: I'm sure that they're not (none / 0) (#159)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:06:33 PM EST

unless it's proven that they are.
If there's proof, I'll be wrong and happy to admit it. But better to assume innocence than guilt, IMHO.
If this were an Obama campaign dirty trick, though, I can't say I'd be that surprised. And what a sad, sad statement that is.

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You know what? (5.00 / 3) (#178)
by Ga6thDem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:33:05 PM EST

In the last few months I have had to face some hard truths. Am I really a Democrat? Do I want to be a democrat? I have certainly misjudged a lot of people who I thought were advocates for Democrats. It seems that somehow Obama is doing to Democrats what Bush has been doing to Republicans. I really can sympathize with some of the Republicans right now. I always like Olberman and even got people who didn't previously watch him to turn the channel. That being said, I don't watch him anymore and I don't know that the other people I sent there watch him either since they've become Hillary supporters now.

Once again (5.00 / 1) (#200)
by cal1942 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:29:12 PM EST

Obama supporter can't tell the difference between elite and elitist.

Do we have to go over all of this again.

Additionally, her statement was in support of progressive taxation.

But I really shouldn't expect an Obama supporter would be capable of understanding.

Pompous Buffoon (5.00 / 1) (#209)
by daryl herbert on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:02:43 PM EST

Nobody appreciates outrage about Fixed News more than do I.

"More than do I"

Would Walther Cronkite ever that have said? No, would not that said, have he.

The correct grammar, btw, is "more than me." It's simple and to the point. No wonder Mr. Olbermann eschewed it in favor of something wrong, long-winded, and pretentious.

How can anyone think he is better than O'Reilly? O'Reilly would never say "more than do I"

: I know (none / 0) (#212)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:13:16 PM EST

I absolutely hated KO's bloviating style long before I hated HIM.
He sounded like a wordy pompous a*s even when I liked him.

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Even if it's Fox News..... (3.00 / 2) (#24)
by aequitas on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:36:20 PM EST

There's a considerable difference between appearing on the Sunday show and doing a laydown for a freak like O'Liely.

A "laydown"? (5.00 / 6) (#29)
by Fabian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:38:47 PM EST

I do not know what you meant by that, but Clinton did not go on O'Reilly's show so she could fawn over him and praise his greatness.

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It hought Billo had a bemused look on his face (5.00 / 2) (#34)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:41:21 PM EST

Not so evil is she, and quite tough. Stands up for her proposals she does. Well spoken and polite. Not at all the cartoon i've built up about her.

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She looked foolish..... (1.00 / 3) (#69)
by aequitas on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:59:52 PM EST

.......just being in the same frame with a clown like O'Liely. What's next? Rush Limbaugh?

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As opposed to bloviating head Olbermann? (5.00 / 8) (#76)
by rooge04 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:03:56 PM EST

It's called having GUTS and having CHARACTER and going into ENEMY territory and making a case for yourself. Something Obama seems incapable of doing.

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: exactly (5.00 / 4) (#86)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:07:31 PM EST

I would love to see Obama have the guts to do that.
he thinks Georgie was mean to him?

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"foolish" (5.00 / 11) (#77)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:04:13 PM EST

You are really distorting reality and history. Which tape did you see? Have you ever seen any Democrat take these nuts head on helathcare, taxes, Iraq, terrorism and immigration without pandering to their prejudices? She stood up to him. Did you see her tax discussion about Taft? and the history of taxes, equity? Who looked foolish? Only someone who could not follow the discussion who is embedded in the narrative.

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She'd wipe the floor with Rush (5.00 / 6) (#80)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:05:34 PM EST

and his arguments, politely, smiling the whole while.

Probably get him to agree on her healthcare plan, and the need to fund more medical research. Into back pain. /snark

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I know Obama fans often like to have (5.00 / 5) (#81)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:03 PM EST

everything their way but the fact is millions of people watch OReilly whether you like him or not.
ignoring that fact or peeing on his audience will not change that fact or get their votes.
the interview was good. great even.
did you see it? it was light years better than "Obamas OReillys" interview with Hillary.

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Why so unhappy (5.00 / 8) (#119)
by waldenpond on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:19:41 PM EST

today? Is it just me or Obama supporters stressed out again?

Myself... I'm looking foward to Tuesday with a big grin on my face and apparently I've already lost.

What's up is down, what's down is up. The supporters who self-proclaim to have won are unhappy, and the ones who are being told they have lost are having a great time.....

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Obama has won (1.00 / 2) (#161)
by aequitas on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:07:57 PM EST

What we Obama supporters are uneasy about is Clinton taking down the party if she can't get 70% of the rest of the votes.

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blah blah blah (5.00 / 7) (#167)
by waldenpond on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:12:53 PM EST

Clinton destroying the party blah blah blah

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How boring. (5.00 / 3) (#172)
by Marco21 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:25:10 PM EST

Can Obama supporters come up with new talking points, please?

My DD had a poll up yesterday showing most Americans want a Democrat running the country in the fall over a Republican by 20%. How is she destroying the party again?

We know her continued winning paired with his continued ego-driven meltdowns make you nervous, but every state will being voting and EVERY STATE'S votes should be counted.

If you're bothered by Democracy, I feel bad for you.

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why has he not been acting like a winner? (none / 0) (#166)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:11:39 PM EST

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: Must be... (5.00 / 3) (#173)
by Marco21 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:25:57 PM EST

all that recent losing he's been doing.

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How did Obama look with Chris Wallace? (5.00 / 2) (#174)
by Marco21 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:27:10 PM EST

Not quite the fight he promised, was it?

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Typical distortion (5.00 / 1) (#187)
by cal1942 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:58:43 PM EST

we've come to expect from the Obama people who drop in here.

Your candidate pandered to the Fox crowd with glowing talk of charter schools, etc.

Hillary stands up to O'Reilly, nails him on factual points and you say she laid down.

aequitas, you can't get by here with bald faced lies. You'll be called on it everytime.

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Being President (5.00 / 1) (#195)
by JavaCityPal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:11:38 PM EST

means you have to sit down at the table with people of all kinds...not just the ones you approve of.

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Exactly! "No red states, no blue states (none / 0) (#201)
by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:35:49 PM EST

there is only the United States of America."

I think someone said something similar to that in, what, 2004?

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: Some of us thought (5.00 / 2) (#203)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:43:42 PM EST

he was right about that.
Too bad he doesn't believe his own rhetoric.

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Clinton (5.00 / 5) (#37)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:19 PM EST

Humiliated him. He had to have these women afterwards to explain why he was easy on her cause she is a woman, did you watch that? He was trying to "look macho" after he got put in his place and told a few things.

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"Hillarycare will destroy America" (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:47:45 PM EST

sounds like a laydown only to an unhinged buffoon like Olbermann and his cliff jumping brigade.

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I don't think there is (5.00 / 3) (#48)
by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:48:15 PM EST

that much difference. O'Reilly is just more obviously freakish.

Brit Hume is more dangerous.

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Somehow when Obama goes on O'Reilly (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:52:02 PM EST

I bet you will rationalize that somehow too.

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I'm beginning to think (5.00 / 2) (#62)
by pie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:55:58 PM EST

that some of these so-called Obama supporters are really working for McCain, because they're certainly not doing Obama any good. In fact, they're trying to drive a deeper wedge between supporters.

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I've thought that for a long time. (5.00 / 2) (#78)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:04:16 PM EST

It's hard to tell who's who in the blogosphere...

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try Ron Paul supporters (5.00 / 1) (#165)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:10:56 PM EST

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: No thanks. (5.00 / 1) (#205)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:46:16 PM EST

I've had too many close encounters of the Pauliac kind.
One followed me to my eensy blog and proceeded to post 40-paragraph comment after 40-paragraph comment "proving" how teh awesome libertarianism is.
I finally had to delete the poor deluded SOB.

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You might be correct except that.... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by Maria Garcia on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:53:27 PM EST

...Hillary took it to Fox whereas Obama played pattycake.

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She smacked O'Reilly down (5.00 / 2) (#56)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:54:08 PM EST

In other times, Democrats would have relished that.

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A Rollover Could Best Describe Obama's (5.00 / 5) (#122)
by MO Blue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:22:31 PM EST

appearance on Fox. Who knew that Republican's had better ideas on government regulations? Of course for someone who voted in favor of Cheney's energy bill, maybe this shouldn't come as any surprise.

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now olberman is an enemy? (1.00 / 1) (#128)
by AgreeToDisagree on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:28:51 PM EST

this is getting ridiculous...

o'reily, kristol, Buchanan, Mellon Scaife are now Clinton's friends... and Kos, Richardson, Olberman, Andrew, etc. are the enemies...

seems a little opportunistic and slightly petty. but...

Petty is as petty does (5.00 / 0) (#138)
by cawaltz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:38:10 PM EST

Quite frankly kos and Olbermann as well as some of the others get what they deserve. I don't knowqwhere they think they get the right to determine who is "not a Democrat" but it strikes me they deserve their status as enemy if they embrace the ideathat simply because Clinton is not Obama that she is "not a Democrat." As for MSNBC I don't know any of the gentlemen they employ personally but I was less than amused with the thught to e off camera remarks of Matthews and Delayhere they took the time to show their "manliness" by belittling Clinton. I feel fairly confident in saying that MSNBC not only tolerates misogyny but by allowing behavior like that, they condone it.

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Really? (5.00 / 3) (#140)
by LarryInNYC on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:39:38 PM EST

How can you seriously argue that Kos and Olberman, at least, do not consider Clinton an enemy? Have you read or listened to anything they've said? These are not people who simply support Obama over her for the Presidency, these are people who believe (or say they believe) all sorts of awful and generally demonstrably false things about her.

You think that Olberman attacking her for appearing on Fox while ignoring Obama's own appearance isn't the act of a political enemy?

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hmmm.... (none / 0) (#153)
by AgreeToDisagree on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:52:26 PM EST

first, i think the fact that it was Big O was a main issue for Olberman (my opinion). Second, i don't think they consider her an enemy (i do think they've gone a too far in chastising her - although I agree with some of what they've said; their approach is less than stellar). But i feel Clinton supporters have similarly (if not drastically more) become more insane with their posts citing all sorts of right wingers (didn't mention Rush, whose pushing for republicans to vote for her) in order to push pro-clinton arguments. rationally, it strikes me as crazy. and it is getting more and more frequent. why?

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: Well, it's true that. . . (5.00 / 3) (#170)
by LarryInNYC on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:15:59 PM EST

there are some Clinton supporters, here and elsewhere, doing a fairly good job of imitating the kind of discourse common on places like dKos. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but I don't know. Certainly the overexcitable are not limited to one candidate's supporter chorus or another.
But the imitation, both in scale and degree, is pretty pale.
Your notion that Kos and Olberman don't consider Clinton the enemy is laughable to me, but neither of us know what's going on in their minds. I'm not sure how you think they'd act differently if they did consider Clinton an enemy.
As to why it's getting more frequent, we're entering the endgame. Obama's stumbled significantly over the last few weeks and his supporters are nervous about seeing it all going up in smoke while Clinton supporters see their last chance to come back in the race. It's not surprising that things are getting worse now, only embarrassing how bad they've actually gotten.

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where have you been? (5.00 / 1) (#155)
by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:02:51 PM EST

or did you miss KO's "special comment" re: the Ferraro brouhaha in which he said Hillary was "covered in filth" and compared here to David Duke? That was the the straw that broke the camel's back. Anyone who listens to this man or defends this man is just as bad as BillO imo -- right-wingnut or left-wingnut -- still a wingnut.

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Not the enemy (4.00 / 0) (#147)
by mmc9431 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:46:40 PM EST

Just a talking head now rather than an intelligent or insightful journalist.

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Um, actually, yes (none / 0) (#164)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:09:57 PM EST

The folks you've mentioned are far friendlier than lickspittle Olbermann and past-Republican and Clinton Hater KOS.

Absolutely. Without a doubt. You are correct.

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that is insane (1.00 / 1) (#206)
by AgreeToDisagree on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:46:37 PM EST

and sadly indicative of the divisive campaign Clinton has waged (and thus her supporter's beliefs).

Funny how all was fine until she realized she was actually going to lose. if she kept it positive, there was no chance... bring him down, or else...

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: Oh, right (none / 0) (#210)
by janarchy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:03:43 PM EST

It's always the Clintons who are derisive and not all of the Obama surrogates like Clyburn, Donna Brazile, and the MSM who are in the tank. His surrogates are full of sunshine and lollypops and rainbows. I guess we must've missed that...

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Well (none / 0) (#213)
by Edgar08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:14:41 PM EST

I guess all that means is that Ayers, Chris Wallace, and Wright are Obama's friends.

I just replied to a really dumb comment.

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New commentor (1.00 / 2) (#136)
by waldenpond on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:34:42 PM EST

I'm sure this will get deleted but it's just too easy to pass up...

Welcome blue sun everyone.

Eyes: blue
Height: low down
Hobby: spreading the Kos talking pt of the day... God Bless-- us.
Hypocricy level: about 5 I would do higher, but originality is lacking. Repub mentions Clinton=bad, Obama gets endorsements from Repubs today=good.

say hello to blue (sad?) sun (has seen the light?)

this is off topic (5.00 / 1) (#158)
by Jeralyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:05:20 PM EST

please repost it on an open thread so I can delete it here.

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Actually... (5.00 / 3) (#199)
by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:26:02 PM EST

There have been any number of televised moments where she's gone on stage and encouraged Dems to vote for the nominee (whoever that may be).

She did that at the NOLA event hosted by Tavis Smiley.

She did that again at the last debate in PA.

She's done it elsewhere.

As for doing anything to get the vote? No. She went on FOX and stood her ground with regards to her policies and ideas. She didn't back down.

And triangulating? If you look at what triangulating actually is with regards to a rhetorical strategy, you'll see that both candidates have used that strategy to position themselves.

What exactly do you think the whole "Above Old Politics" meme actually is?

Answer: It's triangulating.

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Well said. (none / 0) (#169)
by aequitas on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:14:04 PM EST

Welcome to the Clinton Alamo.

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: interesting analogy (5.00 / 4) (#175)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:28:10 PM EST

since the Alamo was only a short term victory on the way to losing the southwest.

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I guess you are better at debating than you (none / 0) (#177)
by feet on earth on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:32:43 PM EST

candidate. You respond, he doesn't debate.
Yah, you are much better

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Do you mean. . . (none / 0) (#1)
by LarryInNYC on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:15:22 PM EST

Keith Olbamaman?

: He's a petty propagandist (5.00 / 3) (#2)
by andgarden on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:19:19 PM EST

At least, that's what he's turned into.

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Sports (none / 0) (#6)
by Lahdee on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:24:31 PM EST

is easy, politics is complex. It's hard to be a journalist, it's hard darn it.

As I posted earlier (none / 0) (#16)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:30:36 PM EST

If we are trying to change minds, and we think Fox is controlling those minds, should we not be going on Fox and confront them? Should the Fox audience not be getting the other side?

I find the boycott self destructive.

It reminds of the classic Blazing Saddles scene where the guy takes himself hostage.

Short answer : No (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:32:45 PM EST

Long answer, I will dig up my posts supporting the Fox boycott from years ago.

I first went through this when Clark became a Fox analyst.

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: How is Fox (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:40:54 PM EST

after this election any worse than MSNBC? I don't see the difference. Fox has to be confronted not allowed to just have it's hacks on as if this is the world view.

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: Basically (5.00 / 2) (#91)
by Edgar08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:09:33 PM EST

A 50-state project should not be confused with a 3 cable network project, if you get what I'm saying.

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: I remember that BTD (none / 0) (#31)
by Gabriele Droz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:40:07 PM EST

and Clark kicked butt at Fox. He did exactly what Hillary did with BillO.

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: I will vouch for you BTD (none / 0) (#139)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:38:36 PM EST

"Democrats not going on FOX News" was also something I strongly advocated during my time there, contributing to a large percentage of my DKos posts. I remember that at the time that there were quite a few people who vehemently opposed that view. They saw nothing wrong with going on FOX. I'm not talking about the front pagers though.

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: Remember that... (none / 0) (#198)
by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:20:07 PM EST

Thought that Clark did a great job countering the silliness of FOX.

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Yeah, like the R's voting in Dem primaries (5.00 / 2) (#21)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:34:22 PM EST

for Obama it's OK; he's won them over.

for Clinton it's not OK; she's pandering or they're being Rovian.

(shakes head) Hard to see what's coming or going these days. Is the sky still blue? Elsewhere than in Seattle that is. ; )

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I thought it was interesting (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:34:31 PM EST

to confront O'Reilly. They both appeared to enjoy the sparring.

I'd enjoy seeing a top Democrat hack Hannity to pieces too.

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I'd just settle for other Dems (5.00 / 3) (#35)
by Fabian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:42:58 PM EST

taking Clinton's lead and stand up to every media figure that asks leading questions and uses bullsh_t framing.

Do. not. allow. yourself. to. be. used.

Simple enough?

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O reily didn't cut her mic? (5.00 / 1) (#134)
by cawaltz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:32:14 PM EST

Hmmmmmmmmmm that's what he usually does to his guests. Smebody check to see if hell has frozen over.

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Figuratively? (none / 0) (#26)
by LarryInNYC on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:37:00 PM EST

Or literally?

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: i'm not saying. (none / 0) (#30)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:39:08 PM EST

The literal interpretation never occurred to me to be frank with you. A televised murder would be a career ender for "Top Democrats".

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Randi who? (5.00 / 2) (#148)
by cmugirl on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:47:28 PM EST

Does she have a job or something?

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Because, of course (5.00 / 2) (#150)
by janarchy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:49:33 PM EST

Randi Rhodes is the bastion of pure thinking. Funny, I remember when Air America first launched and she had her head so far up Bill Clinton's butt that she was practically wetting herself when she had him on her show. "My President" she called him over and over. She also was pretty much in awe of HRC too who was her senator. Amazing how that works, innit?

Oh, wait, hypocrisy is just another word for adulation in Obamaland, isn't it?

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I don't know if the media is getting worse (none / 0) (#25)
by tigercourse on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:36:49 PM EST

or I'm just paying more attention. But the "news" in this country is a joke. Outside of PBS it's all awful and unprofessional. BBC does a much better job reporting not only international news but American news. It's a disgrace.

experience vs. judgement (none / 0) (#28)
by Kensdad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:37:28 PM EST

i hope i'm not too off topic here...

but i am getting kind of tired of all these people touting obama's judgement over hillary's experience.

federico pena (obama campaign co-chair) just gave the old canard about cheney/rumsfeld experience not being equal to good judgement...

why doesn't anyone ask him if all of his experience in government negates his judgement? i'm sure that pena would be a bit uncomfortable with that... specifically, why should we trust his judgement that obama would be a better president than hillary (considering that he has lots of that "experience" stuff on his resume)...

No dem should go on FOX (none / 0) (#38)
by lilybart on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:32 PM EST

That said, there is a difference between O'Reilly and Chris Wallace. Wallace is now on the dark side, but he was a real journalist for decades and his show is supposed to be like a Meet the Press kind of thing. O'Reilly is a hate-monger and his show is called "entertainment" because no one can defend it as journalism.

So if one were to go on FOX, one would NOT go on Hannity, O'Reilly or Gibson (he is gone now I think.)

Chris Wallace:
Although accepted at Harvard Law School, Wallace instead took a job with the Boston Globe. He says he realized he wanted to move to television when he noticed all the reporters at the 1972 political conventions were watching the proceedings on TV, instead of in person.

Wallace began his network journalism career with NBC in 1975, where he stayed for 14 years, as a reporter with WNBC-TV in New York City. Wallace then transferred to NBC's Washington bureau as a political correspondent, and later served as Washington co-anchor for the Today show in 1982. He also served as chief White House correspondent (1982-89), moderator of Meet the Press (1987-88), and anchor of the Sunday edition of NBC Nightly News. Wallace's confrontational style was evident during President Ronald Reagan's news conference in March 1987, when Reagan admitted to dealing arms for hostages. During his questioning, Wallace challenged the President by citing previous occasions on which the President denied trading arms for hostages, "when you knew that wasn't true. Why did you say that?" An obviously flustered Reagan responded by fairly growling "Chris ..." through his teeth.[citation needed]

Wallace left NBC in 1989 for ABC. At ABC, Wallace was the senior correspondent for Primetime Thursday and occasionally hosted Nightline. During the first Gulf War in 1991, he reported from Tel Aviv on the Iraqi Scud missiles attacks. At the time, the Israeli Government did not want to advertise where the Scuds landed, in order to prevent the Iraqis from making adjustments to their launchers. On one episode of Nightline, Wallace started describing the location in Tel Aviv where a Scud missile landed. Nightline's host Ted Koppel cut him off, respecting Israeli national security needs.

Go and confront them. (5.00 / 3) (#43)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:46:58 PM EST

Spiting ourselves and leaving millions to the propaganda. I don't buy the No Dem stuff. The airwaves are public and we should not allow the monopolization of views on them. Dems should get backbone and confront them.

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: You know, (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:54:53 PM EST

I am coming around to this point of view.
I do support the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, so I should support The Fox Propaganda Network having Democrats on in order to be consistent.
However, I maintain that they should not be allowed to call themselves "news." Just making them remove that label would help Fox's viewers open their minds.

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Oh so now we are ranking wingnuts on a scale of... (5.00 / 5) (#65)
by Maria Garcia on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:57:27 PM EST

...who its okay to be interviewed by? Let me guess what the metric is, if its done by Obama then wingnut actually has some credibility, but if Clinton then none. Wallace and O'Reilly are both wingnut Faux News hacks.

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I didn't understand what he was trying to say (none / 0) (#39)
by wasabi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:45:21 PM EST

I didn't really follow Olberman's train of thought in his blog post. Maybe it's because I have a bad head cold...

"Hillary did really well on O'Reilly" (5.00 / 6) (#68)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:59:32 PM EST

That's what his post said to me, even if that's not what he meant to say.

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: You are right! (none / 0) (#74)
by Joan in VA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:03:30 PM EST

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Hey, it's not you, it's him. Olberman's train (5.00 / 1) (#154)
by FLVoter on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:59:39 PM EST

left the station a long time ago....

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or even w/a cold you can (none / 0) (#46)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:47:50 PM EST

follow the logic -- or lack thereof. (grin)

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She's evil cause she got free air-time? (none / 0) (#60)
by Joan in VA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:55:17 PM EST

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Can I just say something about Kantor video? (none / 0) (#40)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:45:31 PM EST

I just want to put this out there as a theory.

The anti-Clinton forces have doctored and pushed the Kantor video so that it could be debunked as false, but in the meantime (and in order to do so) everyone on the blogs and the media gets to be reminded of the movie "War Room" starring... guess who... George Stephanapolous.

This is the guy they want to put the spotlight on because they hate the fact he is doing a Townhall with Hillary on Sunday. He worked for the Clinton campaign before, you see everyone?

This is one of my best. An alternate theory: more blatant and desperate race baiting against the Clintons. I pray for a karmic boomerang on whoever was behind it.

Please don't forget (5.00 / 3) (#51)
by pie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:49:53 PM EST

that both Obama and McCain were also invited to appear.

They can't cry foul because Hillary is the only that's accepted (so far). She's demonstrated that she's not afraid to appear anywhere in order to get exposure for her polices. She always does well.

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: Yep, I know they were invited (5.00 / 1) (#66)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:57:47 PM EST

That fact doesn't seem to matter to the CDS crowd. Just like the fact Obama went on FOX days ago went unacknowledged by Olbermann in his DKos diary.
Oh by the way, one more alternate theory to add to my Kantor video post: The Clintons did it, again!

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Apparently (5.00 / 1) (#124)
by Edgar08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:25:16 PM EST

She's a little late to the game.

Obama's been trotting out Lincoln Bedroom talking points from day 1.

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What bedfellows has Hillary adopted? (5.00 / 1) (#132)
by Warren Terrer on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:30:57 PM EST

You do realize that Stephanopolous working for Bill Clinton years ago isn't an example of Hillary Clinton adopting anyone. So what on earth are you talking about?

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: Who's going to tell Dick Morris he's adopted? (5.00 / 2) (#143)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:44:30 PM EST

His biological parents on Three Mile Island just wanted him to have a good life.

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Reminder might be necessary for young voters (none / 0) (#72)
by Prabhata on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:01:35 PM EST

Only the Obama disciples who grew up in the 80s may not know that George Stephanapolous worked for Bill Clinton's campaign and the first administration.

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Even that (none / 0) (#83)
by Edgar08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:52 PM EST

Will prove those folks to be hypocrites.

Markos worked on Lamont's campaign. Now he writes for Newsweek. So if Lamont ever re-enters politics are we supposed to conclude that anything Markos writes about that will be tainted?

Apparently so.

Even if you're right, it still just proves how stupid and short-sighted those people are.

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: Lamont, who lost to Leiberman (none / 0) (#105)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:14:58 PM EST

whom Obama continued with as his mentor in the Senate after the initial mentor assignment.
Lamont, for whom Obama was supposed to come back and campaign for, but did.
Interesting

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see what I mean (none / 0) (#133)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:31:18 PM EST

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Not at all (none / 0) (#149)
by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:48:22 PM EST

Would have prefered to be dealing with this openly in October instead of now?

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It is Typical (none / 0) (#73)
by Edgar08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:02:33 PM EST

That when someone famous posts on a blog that the blog owner makes a quick comment verifying that the post was indeed written by and/or does represent the views expressed by that person.

I assume this happened here.

: Keith is a regular blogger on DKos now (none / 0) (#145)
by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:45:37 PM EST

This is not the first, won't be the last.
Everybody there knows it's really him.

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obamabot olberman (none / 0) (#87)
by snucky on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:08:16 PM EST

olberman used to like hillary. then all of a sudden he became a hillary hater. he drunk the obama koolaid i guess. according to realclear politics hillary is ahead by 6 points in indiana and behind by 7 in north carolina. these are averages by all the recent polls from each state. HILLARY IS ROCKIN!

: I question that (none / 0) (#112)
by Edgar08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:16:08 PM EST

Before the primary even started there was this rumor that Olbermann was on Dan Patrick's sports radio show and let it slip how much he hated the Clintons.
Of course it was just a rumor. But the source of the rumor, as far as I could tell at the time, was Obama supporters.
Now that it's just another piece of the CDS puzzle with respect to KO, I'm sure Camp Obama would say "You can't trust a rumor!!!"

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Orange van Gogh-go Olberman = yawn (none / 0) (#99)
by wurman on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:19 PM EST

KO posting on DK would be like him breaking wind at the city sewage disposal facility--how would anyone know?

I don't want to sound like a (none / 0) (#102)
by 1jpb on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:43 PM EST

wingnut by using the accusation of moral equivalence. But, seriously; BillO and KO are not equivalent, and no amount of conflation or slight of hand will ever make them equivalent.

Sorry I'm not buying this stuff.

Similarities (5.00 / 2) (#107)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:12 PM EST

Not fair, not balanced, not journalists. They choose different sides, but they have the same attributes.

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With respect to Hillary Clinton (5.00 / 3) (#108)
by andgarden on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:20 PM EST

the are absolutely equivalent.

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Maybe not to you (5.00 / 2) (#125)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:26:23 PM EST

But he slanders Hillary nightly and hands Obama a pillow. Sorry, but he's playing a part in dividing the Democratic Party. In reality, he may be WORSE than O'Reilly.

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Could you tell without their bylines (none / 0) (#111)
by LHinSeattle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:16:00 PM EST

on their transcripts, though?

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: Actually, yes. But, more importantly (none / 0) (#131)
by 1jpb on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:30:51 PM EST

wasn't the recent snow odd in the Emerald City? Even so, I really like this time of year. When I spend some winter time in Santa Monica, I start thinking about permanently relocating south. But, so far I've never pulled the trigger, I still prefer Seattle.

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Extremes are Extreme (none / 0) (#118)
by mmc9431 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:19:36 PM EST

They are the same. Just at opposite ends of the spectrum. I"m not sure Olberman has drank the Obama Kool Aid. I think he's drank his own!

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From where Im sitting they are both elitist (none / 0) (#106)
by cawaltz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:02 PM EST

It isn't like they both didn't have seven figure tax returns. I'm pretty sure Clinton or Obama don't have to wory about filling the tanks up in their cars AND the price of food. Neither of them have to worry about health cae (partially thanks to us taxpayers). I daresay there are any folks in Congress that qualify as non elite by most peoples standards. Frankly, I'm tired of the word already. I'm moreconcerned with policy positions for middle class Americans than who can "identify with middle class Americans based on thier own personal narrative. Might as well head to the nearest servce sector position to get out next candidate if THAT is going to be our criteria.

I know what you're saying (5.00 / 1) (#129)
by madamab on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:30:15 PM EST

but just because Hill and Bill make lots of money doesn't mean they're elitist.

Elists are people who look down on other people based on class, not money.

I think that Hillary's policies would benefit the middle class more than Obama's, and she never insulted an entire group of voters like Obama did in San Francisco.

However, McCain is the worst elitist of all.

"Those jobs aren't coming back, my friends."

Yeah, I'm not your friend, McCaca.

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: You're perfectly right (5.00 / 2) (#144)
by janarchy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:45:28 PM EST

One of the biggest elitists I know is someone who grew up in a single parent family where her mom scrimped and saved and worked her butt off every day Said friend went to college on a scholarship whereas I (from a middle class family) had to pay full price. Said friend married into money (we're talking BIG MONEY) and now is the biggest, most clueless snob in the world who won't let her daughter go to public school cos she might have to deal with "poor" people, buys the most expensive items just for status etc.
And yes, she's voting for Obama. She's got a great case of Hillary Hate, mostly because (and I kid you not) that HRC went to a rival high school. (Maine North, not Maine West, I believe)
Some of the wealthiest people I know have been some of the most down to Earth and open minded, some of the poorest people I know (including my ex who came from a crazy welfare family) are the most elitist. It has nothing to do with how much money you've got and where your head is actually at.

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: Yup, saying someone is "elitist" (5.00 / 1) (#146)
by tree on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:45:48 PM EST

just because they can be considered an elite makes as much as saying someone is "sexist" because they have sex.

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: Blue Sun (5.00 / 1) (#211)
by cal1942 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:06:18 PM EST

No one said that.
Making up stuff out of whole cloth will get you nowhere on this site.
The people who comment here are too well informed to fall for any of your ludicrous rants.
Hillary has won seven of the nine largest states in the nation. Specifically numbers 1,2,3,4,6,7 and 8. Obama won numbers 5 and 9. In those nine states reside more than HALF of the US population.
Of Obama's states, 14 will not be won by any Democrat in the general election.
Hillary has not been dismissive of anyone. Obama, on the other hand, has been blatantly dismissive of whole groups of voters nationwide. It came right out of his own mouth.

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elitist (5.00 / 3) (#186)
by jedimom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:58:36 PM EST

elitist is a state of mind not an income level
Warren Buffet can buy and sell the Clintons thousands of times over with the money he has
but he is salt of the Earth and he GETS real people, being a billionaire hasnt made him elitist

Obama doesnt get it
Hillary and Big Dawg get it
that is why Bill won twice and Hillary is winning now that her message is getting out and Obama has revealed himself as out of touch with the 'working' class

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Ummm (none / 0) (#135)
by americanincanada on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:34:07 PM EST

elistism has nothing whatsoever to do with how much money you have or make.

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Rich doe not equal elitist (none / 0) (#126)
by Manuel on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:27:21 PM EST

There are plenty of poor people who are and plenty of rich people who aren't.

Richard Lewis will be funny tonight (none / 0) (#127)
by Jeralyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:28:32 PM EST

Keith's diary at Dkos says comedian Richard Lewis will be on again tonight. Lewis is very funny and Keith actually lets him rant. I may tune in for that if I'm around.

Media (none / 0) (#171)
by mmc9431 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:17:46 PM EST

I suspect that MSNBC figures after the primary everyone will come back to the fold and their ratings will soar. I think it's a risky gamble on their part, but when your third in a three person race, what have you got to lose>

Obama on O'Reilly next? (none / 0) (#188)
by JustJennifer on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:59:12 PM EST

I just read on Huffington Post that Chris Wallace said Obama might go on O'Reilly too. What will Olbermann have to say for himself if this happens? My guess is it will be <crickets> all the way.

: This I want to See (none / 0) (#208)
by daryl herbert on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:53:28 PM EST

Is Sen. Obama capable of holding his own against the big, bad wolf?
Or will O'Reilly huff, and puff, and blow the house of cards down?

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This is a gender thing (none / 0) (#189)
by Sunshine on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:00:41 PM EST

Olberman is the type of male that thinks a woman should walk 3 steps behind a man... Hillary should step down as to not damage Obama....

: LOL (none / 0) (#204)
by feet on earth on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:44:12 PM EST

And she went up against BillO's blue tie, strong, handsome and in glorious pink color, and kicked his a**. I loved it: a great gender thing to watch.

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This sounds like that stuff (none / 0) (#197)
by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:16:53 PM EST

Rush was talking about when people called him up and said that Bill was talking about him. After he listened to the audio several times, it was determined that he said "Rushin'" not "Rush."

That whole thing was just as inane as this uproar over whether or not she enunciated her "-ed" enough...

When will I be able to drink my margaritas?!? Soon, I hope...soon.

I don't understand (none / 0) (#214)
by Andy08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:34:25 PM EST

how K. Olbermann still has its jobs. He has said things totally out of bounds on TV; for ex.

someone should go into a room with Hillary and only he should come out

and as BTD says he is completely irresponsible...

What on earth do the management on MSNBC think they are achieving?... On second thought... they are obviosuly unable to think.

It is really embarrasing to have these clowns on TV every night...

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