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Boehlert on Libby: How the Press Enabled the White House

Eric Boehlert has a terrific article up at Media Matters on the larger context of the media coverage of the Valerie Plame leak and the Scooter Libby trial:

So as the facts of the White House cover-up now tumble out into open court, it's important to remember that if it hadn't been for Fitzgerald's work, there's little doubt the Plame story would have simply faded into oblivion like so many other disturbing suggestions of Bush administration misdeeds. And it would have faded away because lots of high-profile journalists at The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, and NBC wanted it to.

In a sense, it was Watergate in reverse. Instead of digging for the truth, lots of journalists tried to bury it. The sad fact remains the press was deeply involved in the cover-up, as journalists reported White House denials regarding the Plame leak despite the fact scores of them received the leak and knew the White House was spreading rampant misinformation about an unfolding criminal case.

And that's why the Plame investigation then, and the Libby perjury trial now, so perfectly capture what went wrong with the timorous press corps during the Bush years as it routinely walked away from its responsibility of holding people in power accountable and ferreting out the facts.

Here's a bit more on the "timorous press corps."

Reporters all over Washington, D.C., were more than willing to drop the story and look away. So instead, it fell to Fitzgerald to do the watchdog work traditionally overseen by the press corps.

Nobody would argue that the story is being ignored today. Far from it: The press is gorging on details from the Libby trial, which makes sense considering it's the most significant criminal case to spring from the Bush White House. The case also goes straight to the administration's signature attempt to mislead the country into war, in this case by airing the totally bogus allegation that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase uranium from Niger to kick-start his nuclear weapons program. Yet for years, while support for the war remained strong, the press was alternately cautious, misleading, and even contentious about covering the crucial story.

His conclusion:

Regardless of the outcome from the Libby perjury case, the trial itself will be remembered for pulling back the curtain on the Bush White House as it frantically tried to cover up its intentional effort to mislead the nation to war. Sadly, the trial will also serve as a touchstone for how the Beltway press corps completely lost its way during the Bush years and became afraid of the facts -- and the consequences of reporting them.

I'd just note the role bloggers had in keeping the Plame investigation on their front pages. Firedoglake, Empty Wheel, Just One Minute, Needlenose and Left Coaster covered every detail, as did TalkLeft. True, we speculated and weren't always correct, but we never let the story or its implications die.

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    Love this line... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by jdmckay on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 11:03:09 AM EST
    In a sense, it was Watergate in reverse. Instead of digging for the truth, lots of journalists tried to bury it.

    Indeed.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 08:21:46 PM EST
    Trolls do that too, if allowed to.

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    Yellowcake (4.50 / 2) (#5)
    by aahpat on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 11:03:14 AM EST
    TO: jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 10:12:36 AM

    That note of yours is itself a pretty good bit of disinformation.

    The story of the effort to purchase Yellowcake is only complete if you include the FACTS that the regulatory system worked from the start and did prevent Saddam from buying the stuff. And that happened years before Bush  used yellowcake to fear-monger America into a stupid and treasonous war.

    And the FACT that the Niger document was a forged document.

    Cheney/Bush took America into a bloody and fruitless personal vendetta which gave our real enemy bin Laden, "aid and comfort" in the process.

    No yellowcake.

    No WMD.

    Saddam is dead and his regime gone.

    Why, this week, are we still in Iraq?

    Why, this week, are we still in Iraq? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 11:08:27 AM EST
    lies and disinformation are supposed to be just "another point of view as valid as any other", and certainly most worthy of being legitimized as such, and being debated as if they are.

    Right?  Which is why,this week, are we still in Iraq.


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    Edger (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 02:18:14 PM EST
    Why don't you read down a bit and see where I have used only Wilson's words as reported in his article and the CIA report summary.

    Hard to refue, et??

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    aahpat (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 02:16:41 PM EST
    It would be helpful if you would stick to the facts.

    No one claimed that the regulations didn't work. No has claimed that the documents were forged.

    What is claimed, and what Wilson himself has said is :

    In early March, I arrived in Washington and promptly provided a detailed briefing to the C.I.A."

    Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,(                    ) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq." .......The CIA's DO gave the former ambassador's information a grade of "good," which means that it added to the IC's body of understanding on the issue, (               .....                     The reports officer said that a "good" grade was merited because the information responded to at least some of the outstanding questions in the Intelligence Community, but did not provide substantial new information. He said he judged that the most important fact in the report was that the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting.

    Now given that Wilson himself, per the CIA information provided above  said that Iraq had tried to purchae yellowcake, why did Wilsob write this in his now famous article.

    Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa.

    The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them

    That is a glaring contradiction, and one that I have never seen the press pursue.

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    Accuracy is God (none / 0) (#17)
    by Johnbo on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 04:49:36 PM EST
    I couldn't agree more with your point (see my reply to cpinva below).  

    I emailed this very information recently to Jason Leapold at Truthout.  He's writing some good stuff on this case and agreed that this was worth pointing out.

    Ironically, by missing this small but important fact, the left has undermined their case and given the right-wing spin machine plenty of ammunition.

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    Two facts (1.00 / 2) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 10:12:36 AM EST
    Whatever the press didn't do, we know that the press trumpted Wilson's tale of what he wanted the world to know.... the fact that Iraq had not purchased yellowcake... while ignoring the fact, as Wilson confirmed to the CIA, that the truth was Iraq had tried to purchase yellowcake.

    No matter which way you approach it, and no matter who said what to who, if the press had accurately and even handedly made these two facts known, nothing else would have followed.

    To complain about poor press coverage while ignoring the wonderful press coverage from the anti-war anti-Bush side  reminds me of the story of the boy who killed his parents and then threw himself on the mercy of the court because he was an orphan.

    hahahaha (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 11:34:42 AM EST
    ppj is correct about there being Fact out there showing that Sadaam had WMD's. The thing that he leaves out is that they are Faux Facts. Just because facts are untrue doesn't stop them from being facts.

    Just ask Rupert Murdoch.

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    It's easy. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 03:30:32 PM EST
    It's like torture. A bit of twisting here, a bit of redefining there, spin well, and presto. All the "facts" you need.

    Actually... it is torture.

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 04:56:30 PM EST
    Just to make sure you understood..I can never tell if you did or not...

    My information is from Joe Wilson's article, and what he told the CIA.

    Think about that squeaky. Squint your eyes and really try. He has contradicted himself.

    Now, if you want to claim that he didn't say that Iraq had not purchased yellow cake in his NYT article, and if you want to say that the CIA lied when it said Wilson had confirmed that the Nigerian officals said Iraq had tried to purchase, please be my guest.

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    Lies and the lying liars (none / 0) (#22)
    by Sailor on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:17:27 PM EST
    My information is from Joe Wilson's article, and what he told the CIA.
    No, it's not. ppj stated his info came from Ambassador Wilson's article. That is untrue.

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    how the press enables various presidents (1.00 / 2) (#35)
    by diogenes on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 10:24:59 PM EST
    Clinton advisor Sandy Berger actually STOLE top secret documents and made numerous efforts to conceal them and lie about it, but the press didn't make one hundreth of the uproar about what was presumably an effort to cover up something Clinton did or didn't do.

    absurd (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:39:07 AM EST
    I enjoy laughing at trolls as much as the next person, but this is absurd. Since Sandy took copies of documents and not originals, its not  likely he was trying cover something up. The simplier and more believable possibility is he wanted to use the documents to prepare for his testimony.

    In any event, it was dumb, he pled guilty and there is no showing what he did covered up a lie to take the country to war. Contrast this with the Plame WMD scandal.

    Do you really think the Bush administration controlled justice department wouldn't have pursued Sandy if there was something there to use to make President Clinton look bad? Given the Bush track record on this score, the answer is clearly no.  

    Classic "cult of conservative victimhood" thinking.

    What Sandy did is minor league compared to the outing of a classified CIA agent, whose sin was to be married to a man who confirmed what two other reports said.



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    Molly B. You funnin' me?? (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:32:45 AM EST
    I enjoy laughing at trolls as much as the next person, but this is absurd. Since Sandy took copies of documents and not originals, its not  likely he was trying cover something up.

    It is my understanding that there was no list of what was there.

    So no one knows what he took.

    Now, if you can provide a link proving me wrong, I would be happy to read it.

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    His usual understanding ... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:31:07 AM EST
    ...is as usual wrong:
    Noel Hillman, chief of the Justice Department's public integrity section, would not discuss Berger's motivation, but said the former national security adviser understood the rules governing the handling of classified materials. Berger only had copies of documents; all of the originals remain in the government's possession, Hillman said.


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    Sailor's big moment (1.00 / 1) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:29:18 PM EST
    Okay Sailor, here's your big moment. Give us a link.

    You can't? No surprise.

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    Are you blind as well? (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Sailor on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:57:23 AM EST
    The link is there and just for you I made it one from faux news. Tho most major news corps covered it.

    Here's the wiki article.

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    enabling and sandy berger (1.00 / 1) (#56)
    by diogenes on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 02:15:04 PM EST
    The Libby trial is NOT about outing a CIA agent but about alleged perjury.  If he outed a CIA agent then Fitz should have indicted him for it.
    No one seems to know or much care why Sandy Berger stole classified documents or copies of classified documents and what his motivation was.  
    Stealing classified documents or copies of classified documents is a more serious charge than perjury, and the press has enabled the past white house about this.

    ok, want to know why they did that? (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 09:59:42 AM EST
    something mr. bohlert conveniently omits from his story: the press was the one that enabled mr. bush's election, in 2000, to begin with. funny he neglected to mention that pesky little fact. i wonder why?

    Absolutely! (none / 0) (#3)
    by aahpat on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 10:51:49 AM EST
    Watching the wanton way that the Washington press corps set aside their constitutional responsibility to publish the truth was, and still is, one of the saddest things I have seen in my life.

    Its not just the Plame case either. Look at the way they repeat the totally false innuendo that there was no credible opposition to the war before the war. they have to continue this lie today because to atmit the truth now would be an admission that they intentionally ignored or attacked that valid opposition in league with the White House. Remember what they did to Scott Ridder and the sex allegations in the middle of the run-up?

    I worked in the media for 18-years as a photog. My wife still works at a daily as an editor and has for 30-years. The actions of the Washington press corps in the past six years has been nothing less than dereliction of duty. They 1. allowed themselves to be intimidated with denial of access threats. And 2. they got too close to their sources and put their sources interests above the interests of the American people. The White House 'journalists' put their self-interest and the interests of those threatening above the interests of the people.

    My Gannon/Guckert theory:

    It has mystified people why Jeff Gannon was able to stay in the White House so long. And what his purpose was for the administration to keep him around.

    There are two potential avenues here. 1. Gannon spent every day in the press 'back' room. 2. A gay honey trap.

    1. Gannon had daily access to the gossip and back room activities of the  White House media. A great intelligence gathering position. Also, water cooler talk is an excellent location from which to launch disinformation.

    2. White House reporters are at the top of their market potential. Reputation is everything. The prevailing political climate in the WH is intolerant of gays. So your at the top of your form and industry and Gannon talks you into a cloak room tryst. Do you give up your career . Or do you capitulate to whatever coercion Karl Rove can inflict through Gannon?


    Absotootly... (none / 0) (#8)
    by desertswine on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 12:16:07 PM EST
    Look at the way they repeat the totally false innuendo that there was no credible opposition to the war before the war.

    My wife and I were among the thousands out on the street protesting the war before the war and the press coverage was zero.

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    aahpat wild, wild theories (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:44 PM EST
    It has mystified people why Jeff Gannon was able to stay in the White House so long. And what his purpose was for the administration to keep him around.

    It is a mystery to me why you claim someone who had a press pass and attended press breifings along with all the other reporters, "was able to stay...."

    Do you have any proof of this outrageous statement?

    I mean being a photo guy, maybe some pictures??

    ;-)

    But you saved the best for last.

    So your at the top of your form and industry and Gannon talks you into a cloak room tryst. Do you give up your career . Or do you capitulate to whatever coercion Karl Rove can inflict through Gannon?

    That is funny.. Again... got any pictures???

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    please provide a cite for this assertion jim (none / 0) (#9)
    by cpinva on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 01:00:34 PM EST
    Whatever the press didn't do, we know that the press trumpted Wilson's tale of what he wanted the world to know.... the fact that Iraq had not purchased yellowcake... while ignoring the fact, as Wilson confirmed to the CIA, that the truth was Iraq had tried to purchase yellowcake.

    as far as the record is concerned, mr. wilson did no such thing, that wasn't his mandate. his job, as he stated multiple times, and the cia confirmed, multiple times, was to ascertain whether or not iraq had purchased yellowcake, period. he determined it had not. that's all he reported. anything else would have been speculative, since he hadn't investigated whether or not they'd tried to purchase it, and failed.

    like the man said, you can have your own opinion, you can't have your own facts. just because you repeat those non-facts constantly, doesn't change them into real facts.

    cpinva (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 02:19:47 PM EST
    Good grief... How many articles shall I link to??

    But I will be happy to do so later today.

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    Untrue Facts: (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 02:33:22 PM EST
    So many definations to choose from....

    An indisputable truth.

    Not that one in this case.

    When an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact.

    hmmmm...observed? competence...? repeatedly, now we are getting somewhere. A bit close to Goebbels propaganda 101, but we are at war.

    A fact is a proposition that has been asserted to be either True or False . The term "fact" usually refers to a "ground proposition", ie, a proposition that can be represented as a predicate applied to a sequence of instances or literals.

    linkAh, now we are getting somewhere. Facts do not have to be true, even if they are repeated over and over like a broken record. Some may believe that by repetition they automatically become true, but alas that is dependent on a consensus of competent observers.

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    cpinva (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:04:49 PM EST
    Parse away. Wilson contradicted himself.

    We'll just call it  a "fluggle"

    Wilson contradicted himself. That is a fluggle.

    There, feel better?

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    squaky and cpinva (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:12:31 PM EST
    Gosh.... I have mistaken Squeaky for cpinva...

    cp.... my most humble apologies.

    Squeaky... be proud that I promoted you ten levels up...

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    cpinva.. You asked (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:49:34 PM EST
    David Corn 7-16

    Global Policy Forum 6-30

    WaPost  6-30

    Rove talk 7-8

    I could do more, but I think these proves my point.

    BTW - Note how the build up went.. ending with the big blast from Wilson on 7/12 and almost immediately (7/16) propped up by David Corn in the Nation..

    I'm not paranoid... but if I was....


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    The link you want (none / 0) (#16)
    by Johnbo on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 04:42:59 PM EST
    Maybe I can help, cpinva.  jimakappj is right and one source I know of is a CIA report cited in at least one place, the Phase l investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee (go to their website and you can find the report.  Sorry I don't have time to get a link up for you.  

    Before you fall out of your chair laughing at ANYTHING this committee reported under Sen. Pat Roberts, I think they did accurately report what the CIA thought on this matter.  And, that was that Wilson's report had actually SUPPORTED some of the CIA's suspicions about efforts by Iraq to obtain uranium.  Yes, Wilson was right that no uranium purchase had taken place.  And, you're probably right that his investigation was limited to that question.  BUT, the fact that Wilson reported that a delegation had approached Niger in 1999 and the former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Mayaki, thought that this delegation was interested in purchasing uranium, supported the CIA's suspicions.

    Thus, Cheney, ironically, was right.  He was trying to get the word out about this opinion from the CIA.  That was information that was in the NIE that was declassified for Libby to leak to Miller and others.  In the process, they got caught either inadvertently releasing Plame's name as part of an attempt to undermine Wilson with a nepotism smear or released the name of a secret agent on purpose to punish Wilson - as he and Fitzgerald both claim.

    What prompted Wilson to write his op-ed piece was that he thought that his opinion that the yellowcake story was dead had been presented to the VP and that the CIA had agreed with his assessment. Thus the claim that the Bush Administration was twisting the facts.  But, for whatever reasons, the summary of his report was never presented to Cheney AND Wilson's conclusion that the yellowcake story was dead wasn't shared by the CIA.  Yes, they agreed that no deal had taken place.  And, yes, they agreed that the papers that originated in Italy purporting to show a uranium deal with Iraq were a forgery.   But, even though no deal had been done, they thought Wilson had actually bolstered their case that Iraq was on the prowl for uranium.  And the Italian forgeries really didn't have anything to do with other instances of Iraqi interest in uranium.  That may explain why the British have never refuted their claim that Bush cited in the State of the Union Speech.  

    So, while Wilson DID answer some questions for them and they agreed that no deal had been done, they thought he had actually bolstered their case that Iraq was on the prowl for uranium.  

    I agree with jimakappj that this is a little nugget of truth that has been overlooked.  I don't think it undermines the case against Libby in any way but it would help the left to try and be as accurate as possible so as not to become a carbon copy of the right-wing disinformation machine.  It does nothing but build credibility to be accurate.


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    Johnbo (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:28:00 PM EST
    I gave the link to the CIA and quoted what was in it, including the CIA's comments... But thanks anyway.

    Here's another one from the CIA souce:

    The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf                                          . The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region

    You have to wonder what he had previously done, and you then understand how easily his wife could have arranged for him to go back. For better or worse, and I am against non-CIA people doing CIA work, he was a known quantity.  The other question that is not answered is what "business trip" was she talking about? That just faded away and seems to have been just a stage prop for her to send him.

    Given that this was 2/02, well before the anti-war effort kicked in, his wife may well have thought he was the guy to do the job.

    Later, after the war effort, the NYT article gets written and he just "forgets" to mention what he told the CIA. And the press is in full howl.

    In other words, none of it was important until Wilson's NYT article made it important. It was a "target of opportunity" beautifully done.

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    Accuracy (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:49:08 PM EST
    Before you fall out of your chair laughing at ANYTHING this committee reported under Sen. Pat Roberts....

    too late, I am already ROTFLOL....

    BUT, the fact that Wilson reported that a delegation had approached Niger in 1999 and the former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Mayaki, thought that this delegation was interested in purchasing uranium, supported the CIA's suspicions.

    To be accurate Wilson reported that Mayaki said a delegation had approached Niger in 1999...and that he thought the delegation was interested in purchasing uranium. This delegation was most likely in Algiers.

    What Mayaki said was:

    Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."

    Media Matters

    However, in an email interview, Ambassador Joseph Wilson clarified to me that Mayaki did not meet an Iraqi delegation in Niger after June 1999, and he only met an Iraqi delegation in Algiers in July 1999 - a meeting that even the British did not consider to have anything to do with uranium.

    So, let's recap. Mayaki met an Iraqi delegation in Algiers in July 1999, but there is no evidence of any Iraqi delegation ever having visited Niger in June 1999 or at any other time (later in 1999). Mayaki himself, categorically denied that he ever met an Iraqi delegation in Niger in 1999. As the BBC reported in 2004, shortly after the Senate Report was released (link thanks to Dr Z):

    the left coaster

    As ppj would say where is the proof. Seems all very iffy to me. A meeting to expand commercial relations is determined, without a doubt, to mean purchasing Uranium. And this very iffy nugget is considered strong enough to justify including it in the SOTU????

    But, for whatever reasons, the summary of his report was never presented to Cheney AND Wilson's conclusion that the yellowcake story was dead wasn't shared by the CIA.
    That is only true if you believe Cheney. Most here do not.  And if you do believe Cheney, the CIA did not send Cheney the report because the report did not justify either the British Claims or the Niger Forgeries and was clearly not what Cheney was looking for.  

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 06:41:25 PM EST
    You wrote:

    To be accurate Wilson reported that Mayaki said a delegation had approached Niger in 1999...and that he thought the delegation was interested in purchasing uranium. This delegation was most likely in Algiers.

    No. This is from the CIA source I linked to.

    Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.

    The CIA report says what it says. If you want to say that Wilson has changed his story to the CIA, have at it. Somehow I believe them more than email interview with a blog.

    But either way you cut it, if Wilson had just written in his NYT OP ED on 7/12 what he believed/said when he made his report to the CIA... that is, Iraq had met and Mauaki believed they wanted to purchase yellowcake, nothing of any great import would have came of it.

    As it is, his article became the focal point of "get Rove" "get Bush" and a great of money, time and effort has went into efforts that have been useless.

    You should remember that the Demos and the Left have defended some of Clinton's mis-steps by nothing the useless problems the Right laid on him. (BTW - I agree with this.)

    While paybacks are fun, they also demonstrate the amount, or lack of, the maturity of the people engaged in them.

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    Your Proof (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 08:08:28 PM EST
    The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.

    He took it to mean.....

    As you would say, I have a nice bridge to sell....

    Not very convincing proof. Not even credible enough to send to the guy (Cheney) who was desperately looking for the smallest nugget of information to prove to the American people that going to war was justified.

    Were you not also desperate to justify attacking Iraq and the ongoing war, you would certainly think that this "proof" was very, very thin.

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    Squeaky Try Harder (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 08:59:39 PM EST
    You still can't grasp the easy part of this...

    He was sent to find out what happened.... All he had to do was report what he was told, which he did to the CIA..

    But he didn't do a complete job in his OP ED.

    You starting to see now????

    Mom: "Squeaky, were you good in school today?

    Squeaky: "Yes Mom."

    Squeaky to Squeaky: "God, I hope she doesn't find out I beat up the Jones kid on the way home."

    He could have told it all and said he thought it was wrong... no problem... But he left it out BIG PROBLEM.

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    you are right (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 09:18:38 PM EST
    Wilson could have said that the basis of going to war in Iraq was because the ex premier of Niger had a feeling that someone from Iraq may may have possibly wanted to buy Yellow Cake even though they only said that they were wanted to develop commercial interests with Niger. And even though they were sent away because Niger doesn't do business with rogue countries there were filthy Arabs and couldn't be trusted......and, oh and that was in 1999. Nothing has happened since.

    But better safe than sorry.

    Is that what you would have liked Wilson to say, ppj?

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 10:41:16 PM EST
    Nonsense.

    Wilson could have included all the information in what, essentially, was an attack on the Bush administration...

    I don't mind the attack, just that he left some key things out.

    Have you ever heard of "sins of ommisions/"

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    So Tell Me (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 11:02:44 PM EST
    What should Wilson have said?

    There is no record of a Iraq delegation in Niger in June 1999. Do you have proof ppj?

    There is only speculation that the supposed Iraqi June delegation that came to Niger was seeking Yellow Cake. How should have Wilson phased that in his op-ed.

    And the fact that this is your stinking talking point that you have repeated and repeated, ad nauseum, as justification for invading Iraq, is utterly pathetic.

    Your big smoking gun is just an empty gesture.

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    Squaky - Why not the whole story?? (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:05:59 AM EST
    Wilson went to Niger in 2/02 and briefed the CIA in March. In the brief he said there was no purchase. He confirmed that Iraq had tried, to purchase in June '99, based on what he had learned and remembered, at that time.

    Now, from the Leftcoaster we find all these things that who knew what when and why he believed and he didn't but..... And all of this written on 8/16/05, 25 months after the op ed and 40 months after he briefed the CIA.

    So what did he know that he didn't tell the CIA? Faulty memory can get you in a heap of trouble. As Libby...

    Now, you can argue that he changed his mind later based on whatever, etc., etc. That be cool with me. I wouldn't have a SP go after you...

    But the question remains. He wrote his article in 7/03, about 16 months later, supposedly because he was angry about the claim that the Brits thought Iraq had tried to purchase repeated in the Presidents SOTU speech about 6 months prior.

    Now, irrespective of what he had learned. Why didn't he go through what he had told the CIA in 3/02 and had he had learned since.

    In otherwords. Why didn't he tell the whole story????????

    That's the issue, Squeaky. Why didn't he tell us all of the facts, believed to be facts, facts that he knew then but knew different later?

    Instead of talking about "blowing sand" and how muuch experience he had, why didn't he tell the whole story???

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    That be "Squeaky" not "Squaky" (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:06:57 AM EST
    Blind? (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:26:15 PM EST
    What you said
    He confirmed that Iraq had tried, to purchase in June '99, based on what he had learned and remembered, at that time.

    What Wilson said:

    Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.

    If you do not see any difference between the two statements, you are being blinded by love...or hate.....

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    Boehlert on Libby (none / 0) (#10)
    by Andrew on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 02:04:26 PM EST
    The 'Media', as in the television stations and networks and the press, are all owned by large corporations.  Those corporations require their media divisions to hire journalists who will do as they are told, so what do we expect?  It has always been a canard that the US media were objective on pretty well any subject (Elsewhere in the world sports commentators are required to be objective, too!).  Concerning all the Iraq shenanigans there is an added twist: the media are by and large owned by supporters of The Lobby, and thus PNAC, members of which planned the Iraq, and later Iran, adventures back in 1996.  So it is natural that the media have been determined to stop us all from finding out what exactly has happened and is happening.

    The blog sites are essential; thank you all of you.

    Hilarious. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 05:34:54 PM EST
    They convinced themselves that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake. Because that is what they wanted to hear. To be able convince themselves that it "had actually bolstered their case", and to convince themselves that they could bamboozle the peasants with "oooooooooo, look! - saddam's trying to buy yellowcake - eeeeek! - the sky is falling - we're all gonna die! we must attack! attack! attack!"

    Except, ummm, "no deal had been done", as Joe Wilson ascertained, making the " sky is falling - we're all gonna die!" IMMINENCE a lie. Which the peasants, being peasants, also bought.

    What else to expect? From peasants:

    ...clever misinformation, aimed at an audience that would accept it. But why would anyone accept it? Only by suspension of all critical faculties, curiosity about American society, the wider world and indeed, one's information provider. I would also add indifference to the truth, which is crucial in matters of warfare and the lives of men. The American peasant cannot protect his country as he believes he is doing because by his indifference, ignorance and credulity he cannot differentiate truth from falsehood.

    Even if he had bought it, and even if had been able to make a bomb with it (in 2 or 3 months? LOL!) - he wasn't suicidal. And he certainly was brighter than the 26 percenters.

    Now (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 08:19:05 PM EST
    In spite of the fact that Joe Wilson is Valerie Plames husband and thereby related to the subject of Libby's trial, and thereby somewhat marginally relevant to the topic at hand, rearguing for the hundredth time his role and yellowcake to legitimize and give some small feeling of relevance to desperate drowning bush sycophants  - who are as always grasping at any slimmest after the fact straws that might in their most obtuse fantasy provide some delusional justification for invading a helpless country and destroying hundreds of thousands of it's children women and men - is simply allowing this thread to be hijacked away from the larger topic - "How the Press Enabled the White House".

    How the press was bought, who bought them, why they allowed theselves to be bought and how they became the "timorous press corps" that "completely lost its way during the Bush years and became afraid of the facts -- and the consequences of reporting them" is something that needs to be talked about and have some light shedon, so it doesn't happen again - as it is beginning to already with respect to a likely attack on Iran.

    I.M.H.O.


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    edger (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 09:03:12 PM EST
    Don't be obtuse... The question was two fold...

    Did they and did they try?

    Short answer. No and yes...

    You be so all around cool and smart edger, tell me why Wilson left out part of what he told the CIA..

    And the part left out just happened to be the part that explained why the Brits and Bush believed what they did...

    You aren't dumb. You know why he did it.

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    Okay. Whatever. (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:18:41 AM EST
    A belief is a belief.

    My point stands. He could have given the whole picture and even disputed the conclusion.

    But he didn't. Why not?



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    Who controls the media? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 08:44:48 PM EST
    In 1983, 50 corporations controlled the vast majority of all news media in the U.S.  At the time, Ben Bagdikian was called "alarmist" for pointing this out in his book, The Media Monopoly.  In his 4th edition, published in 1992, he wrote "in the U.S., fewer than two dozen of these extraordinary creatures own and operate 90% of the mass media" -- controlling almost all of America's newspapers, magazines, TV and radio stations, books, records, movies, videos, wire services and photo agencies.  He predicted then that eventually this number would fall to about half a dozen companies.  This was greeted with skepticism at the time.  When the 6th edition of The Media Monopoly was published in 2000, the number had fallen to six.  Since then, there have been more mergers and the scope has expanded to include new media like the Internet market.  More than 1 in 4 Internet users in the U.S. now log in with AOL Time-Warner, the world's largest media corporation.

    In 2004, Bagdikian's revised and expanded book, The New Media Monopoly, shows that only 5 huge corporations -- Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany, and Viacom (formerly CBS) -- now control most of the media industry in the U.S.  General Electric's NBC is a close sixth.

    LINK


    The Big Ten (chart of the 10 largest media corporations and their holdings, The Nation, Jan 2002)

    Who Owns What (comprehensive list of media ownership by the Columbia Journalism Review)

    Global Concentration: The Media Ownership Chart

    Mega-Media's Interlocking Directorates (FAIR, June 2001)

    How the Press Still Enables Bush (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:48:28 AM EST
    The major national newspapers and most broadcast outlets failed even to report Thursday's stunning testimony by former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
    ...
    Brzezinski opined that a US military attack on Iran would be an aggressive action, presented as though it were a defensive response to alleged Iranian provocations, and came close to suggesting, without explicitly stating as much, that the White House was capable of manufacturing or allowing a terrorist attack within the US to provide a casus belli for war.

    It is self-evident that such testimony at an open congressional hearing from someone with decades of experience in the US foreign policy establishment and the closest ties to the military and intelligence apparatus is not only newsworthy, but of the most immense and grave import. Any objective and conscientious newspaper or news channel would consider it an obligation to inform the public of such a development.

    Yet neither the New York Times nor the Washington Post carried so much as a news brief on Brzezinski's testimony in their Friday editions.
    ...
    The World Socialist Web Site on Friday telephoned the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and USA Today to ask for an explanation for their failure to report Brzezinski's testimony. None of the newspapers returned our calls.

    A news search on "Brzezinski testimony" this morning returns only 51 hits. Few of which could be considered as being American MSM or wire stories carried by it. The nearest exceptions to that is The IHT which, though owned by the NYT, is published out of Paris France.

    Contrast that with 18,714 hits returned for "bush surge" and the picture starts to come into focus a little more clearly of the manipulative power of corporate media.

    The IHT at least seems to report responsibly:

    "If the United States continues to be bogged down in a protracted bloody involvement in Iraq, and I emphasize what I am about to say, the final destination on this downhill track is likely to be a head-on conflict with Iran and with much of the world of Islam at large," said the security adviser in the Democratic administration of former President Jimmy Carter.

    He set out as a plausible scenario for military collision: Iraq fails to meet benchmarks set by the administration, followed by accusations Iran is responsible for the failure, then a terrorist act or some provocation blamed on Iran, and culminating in so-called defensive U.S. military action against Iran.

    That, Brzezinski said, would plunge the United States into a spreading quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    It is no surprise that bush and supporters and corporate MSM will do everything possible to divert attention.

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    Enabling (none / 0) (#41)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:39:33 AM EST
    Bush and his supporters are becoming irrelevant. But they will not go down quietly or willingly. They will fight. And they will continue to lose. But they are incredibly dangerous and even more bloodthirsty than the "enemies" they create. They are murderous psychopaths willing to kill millions of people to survive.

    Bob Dylan said once: "To Live Outside The Law, You Must Be Honest".

    To counter the consolidation and centralized control of mainstream media you must be honest, truthful, and you must be determined. Thus the rise of the blogosphere and the netroots within it.

    They have the money, the guns, and the corporate media. But, there are hundreds of millions more of us than there are of them.

    And in relation to Iraq and other wars as well as the whole idea of "preemptive war" and Bush "doctrine", which I consider a disingenuous euphemism for butchery and murder in the service of imperialism, in my view the most offensive murderous deceitful killers in the world and their supporters are simply full of it and deserve even less respect than they've ever experienced from me when they come begging and crying for "civility" and "tolerance" while go on being and/or supporting murderous deceitful killers.

    Anyone who wants me or others to be constrained from saying things that insult so that they will NOT feel constrained from doing things that kill, is trying to draw equivalence where there is none, and deserves absolutely no respect, civility, or any kind of tolerence whatever.

    When enough people stand up to them out of necessity they end up writing documents that begin with words like "We the people......."

    There was another George who found that out.

    The current George has not a clue what he is up against.

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    Edger (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:13:42 AM EST
    One of the nice things about the Demos being back in  is that we get to find out what has happened to all the ex-party employees.. Kinda like a class reunion.. Who's divorced, sick, made a bundle..

    likely to be a head-on conflict with Iran and with much of the world of Islam at large," said the security adviser in the Democratic administration of former President Jimmy Carter.

    Somebody should tell this guy we are on that train already.

    Thanks to his ex-boss, aka the worst President ever.

    BTW - Anybody know what happened to "Socks" Berger? Last I heard he had cut a sweetheart deal for stealing documents....

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    OFF TOPIC TROLL P0ST (none / 0) (#49)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:49:36 AM EST
    Sailor (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:31:54 PM EST
    Yeah. I'm glad yoiu're getting on to edger. He needs to stop that.

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    He can't help it, Sailor. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 06:16:25 AM EST
    He's a follower by nature. It's much easier to think he's avoided responsibilty that way.

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    Edger (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:49:42 AM EST
    Sure... that's why I'm over poking fun at you guys...

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    See? (none / 0) (#63)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:51:04 AM EST
    Boehlert etc (none / 0) (#45)
    by Andrew on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:24:43 AM EST
    Edger....... What chance do we have of the corporate media owners becoming American Patriots all of a sudden?  Sadly, a fatuous question, but one can dream.  At my advanced age I should have stopped being an idealist, ho hum!

    The trumped-up Proxy Wars in the Middle East on others' behalf is going to eat this country unless the lunatic adventure is stopped.

    media owners becoming American Patriots? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:31:52 AM EST
    Zero, I think. Justified by "we have a responsibility to our shareholders"?

    Of course, that "responsibility" they will espouse will be the most short sighted definition there is: Increase share value now - and damn the torpedoes.

    There may not be many of those shareholders left if they remain "afraid of the facts -- and the consequences of reporting them."

    The trumped-up Proxy Wars in the Middle East on others' behalf is going to eat this country unless the lunatic adventure is stopped.
    I think so too... I think it already is.

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    And honestly (none / 0) (#48)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:36:00 AM EST
    I have no idea what to do aboutit , or if anything can be done to stop them.

    Other than keep a bright light on them and keep pointing out the utter insanity of what they do, every chance I have....

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    But Jeralyn has clearer vision than I (none / 0) (#50)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:59:01 AM EST
    I'd just note the role bloggers had in keeping the Plame investigation on their front pages.  Firedoglake, Empty Wheel, Just One Minute, Needlenose and Left Coaster covered every detail, as did TalkLeft.  True, we speculated and weren't always correct, but we never let the story or its implications die.

    Bloggers are the town squares of the 21st century. And these squares hold hundreds of millions of people. Bloggers are the counterweight to corporate MSM.

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    Here's another article (none / 0) (#53)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:13:49 AM EST
    I doubt will see much coverage by the MSM:

    The Alternative to a Failed Status Quo
    02/07/07, John Nichols, The Nation

    President Bush and Vice President Cheney constantly claim that critics of the war have not offered an alternative to their proposals to surge deeper into the quagmire they have created in Iraq.
    ...
    But the truth is that the "there-is-no-alternative" spin is every bit as disingenuous as the claim that Congress saw the same intelligence as the president and vice president and then fully and unquestioningly bendorsed attacking Iraq. In fact, 133 members of the House and 23 members of the Senate saw the "intelligence" that the administration was peddling in 2002 and voted against authorizing the president to attack and occupy Iraq.
    ...
    Now, the 71-member caucus, which is by far the largest and most diverse ideological grouping of House Democrats, has issued a detailed policy statement regarding the war. It reads:

    Over the last four years, the insurgency in Iraq has strengthened and sectarian violence has increased. Furthermore, the current situation on the ground in Iraq is grave and rapidly deteriorating. The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) has determined accordingly that a predominantly military approach is no longer a viable solution to stabilizing Iraq.

    We are committed to bringing all of the US troops and military contractors in Iraq home in a six-month time frame as part of a fully-funded redeployment plan.

    More specifically, we oppose sending additional US troops and military contractors to Iraq and favor binding votes to block President Bush's escalation of US military involvement in Iraq.



    Edger (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:38:50 PM EST
    Okay. We'll put them down as wanting to surrender.

    Now. If you won't fight, then there is always some negotiations in the terms of surrender.

    I wonder what these sterling examples of "don't understand" and "cut and runners" would be willing to give up?

    Religious freedom? Women's Rights? Gay and Lesbian Rights, including the right to not be killed for their sexual orientation?

    Do the above also work for you since you have said you won't fight??

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    CPC (none / 0) (#61)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 08:12:47 AM EST
    CALLS FOR BINDING VOTES AND BRINGING ALL U.S. TROOPS AND MILITARY CONTRACTORS IN IRAQ HOME IN A 6-MONTH TIME FRAME AS PART OF A FULLY-FUNDED REDEPLOYMENT PLAN

    U.S. Representatives Lynn Woolsey (D-California) and Barbara Lee (D-California), Co-Chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), issued the following strongly-worded position on Iraq today on behalf of CPC Members:

    Congressional Progressive Caucus Policy Statement and Position on Iraq

    Surrendering surrender's surrender (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:51:32 AM EST
    Gee, edger.... Could you just answer that question???

    I mean, can't you recognize that all these surrenders will have an impact???

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    You just never know (none / 0) (#65)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:55:38 AM EST
    who follows the CPC.

    E & P Feb 10/06 (none / 0) (#67)
    by Edger on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 06:40:39 AM EST
    'NYT' Reporter Who Got Iraqi WMDs Wrong Now Highlights Iran Claims
    NEW YORK Saturday's New York Times features an article, posted at the top of its Web site late Friday, that suggests very strongly that Iran is supplying the "deadliest weapon aimed at American troops" in Iraq. The author notes, "Any assertion of an Iranian contribution to attacks on Americans in Iraq is both politically and diplomatically volatile."

    What is the source of this volatile information? Nothing less than "civilian and military officials from a broad range of government agencies."

    Sound pretty convincing? Well, almost all the sources in the story are unnamed. It also may be worth noting that the author is Michael R. Gordon, the same Times reporter who, on his own, or with Judith Miller, wrote some of the key, and badly misleading or downright inaccurate, articles about Iraqi WMDs in the run-up to the 2003 invasion.

    Gordon wrote with Miller the paper's most widely criticized -- even by the Times itself -- WMD story of all, the Sept. 8, 2002, "aluminum tubes" story that proved so influential, especially since the administration trumpeted it on TV talk shows.