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By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:59:00 AM EST
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The AP has declared Donald Trump the winner.

The Washington Post reports Hillary has phoned Trump and conceded:

Shortly after Wisconsin was called for Donald Trump, putting him over the 270 threshold needed to win the White House, Clinton called him to concede the election, The Washington Post has confirmed.

Absolutely vile.

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    Market tanks already (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:02:54 AM EST
    ACA is going away...reproductive rights

    Listening to Trump (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:04:24 AM EST
    I never thought I'd respect Mitt Romney but Mitt...missing you babe

    how can you even (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:07:20 AM EST
    listen?

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    Unless he falls over tomorrow girl (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:18:19 AM EST
    This is where we are.

    If Hillary can call and concede I'm listening cuz remember? This is the guy who kept asking why he couldn't use nukes?  Danger Will Robinson Danger!

    Besides, I'm too all phucked up to sleep

    And I actually initially typed Will Rogers, we are sooooo phucked

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    Clinton never came to Wisconsin (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:19:27 AM EST
    since the primaries.  I kept saying that she and/or Obama needed to do so.

    Remember, Clinton was supposed to kick off the general campaign, with Obama, in Wisconsin.  Then came the Orlando shootings, so the event was "postponed," Wisconsin was told. It never occurred.

    Trump came to Wisconsin, many times. . . .

    But another factor looks to be the diehard Bernie Bros in Dane County (Madison).  The third-party vote exceeded the margin that Clinton needed.  But perhaps Madison will get rid of Scott Walker this way -- if he goes to Washington.  Heaven help us all.

    I have one on my Facebook girl (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:27:27 AM EST
    I would delete him and block him but you can't see your enemy unless you can see your enemy. Roger Fox. Goes all the way back to early Dailykos founding. Ahem, big celebration going on there...like 300 people who "follow" him, not even his Facebook "friend" like me for instance. And obviously girlfriend, if you made the secret cut...you became part of some kind of plan C that as his old DK friend I didn't see planned and going down. They are very proud tonight though. And their junk is hanging out for all of us to see and they love it.

    I am still speechless at the hate and burn it down mentality. Just watching

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    And (I meant to add) also remember (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:33:27 AM EST
    that Wisconsin never went for Clinton.  Not in 2008 primaries, not in 2016 primaries.  That's why it seemed so wise to start the general campaign of post-primaries reconciliation in a Sanders state.  

    Who knows if even that would have done it.  But -- and I know that I belabor this, but it is what I research and write about -- the myth of a progressive Wisconsin always has been only that, a myth, but Democrats elsewhere keep falling for it.  So once again, as in 2010, promised funding for the Senate race (Feingold) did not come.

    Maybe this will be the wake-up call.  But if 2010, with Scott Walker's win as well as Feingold's loss, was not enough to make Democrats reality-based about Wisconsin, I don't know what will do it.  It's the same state that it ever was: winnable as the closest state in the country in 2004 and one of the closest in 2000. I said that 2008 and 2016 were aberrations . . . but they fed the myth.

    And now Wisconsin is what it was all along: a close call.

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    Once again (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:49:19 AM EST
    they did it and once again they will be the first to whine when Trump does something stupid with nukes or something equally bad. They don't understand coalitions and they don't understand how to form them and work with people toward common goals.

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    And to the Naderites of 2016 (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:31:17 PM EST
    Per Rachel Maddow:

    In Florida, Hillary Clinton lost by about 1.4% of the vote - but if Jill Stein's supporters and half of Gary Johnson's backers had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

    Similarly, in Pennsylvania, Clinton lost by about 1.1% of the vote - but if Jill Stein's supporters and half of Gary Johnson's backers had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

    In Wisconsin, Clinton lost by about 1% of the vote - but if Stein's supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state. [And to Stein's 1%, add Johnson's 3% -- mainly in "Bernie or bust" Madison.]



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    "And what rough beast, its hour come at last (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:36:43 AM EST
    Slouches toward Washington to be born?"

    - Yeats, the Second Trumping

    Artist Creates the Election Cycle personal trainer, the world's first exercise machine to accurately recreate the feeling of an American election year.

    OTOH (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:08:50 AM EST
    Clay lies still, but blood's a rover;     
      Breath's a ware that will not keep.     
    Up, lad: when the journey's over     
      There'll be time enough to sleep.   

    - AE Housman - "Reveille"

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    I have a friend with fibromyalgia wishing (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:55:30 AM EST
    Herself death now.

    I don't know what to make of this country but I refuse to allow my friends to speak such obscenity. This guy is going to betray his voters, then when they get upset with him he's going to retaliate. I know it's bad. But we are the United States, we have to survive.

    It's like the terrible fights I had with my husband about Iraq. I'm beating the counter, get out! It's vile it's an evil. And my husband searching for words because most to men they don't come freel. We were there. I can get out Tracy, and then whose in? Kids...with no experience and leadership because as you see everyone is leaving them, sociopaths hoping nobody with principles shows up to kill their fun. We are in this, and if you don't want more atrocity, people like me must stay in.

    And I laid my head on the kitchen counter, cool on my temple thank God and sobbed, because I am a critical thinker with a social IQ. It was fucked, but it could get worse if certain people don't show up.

    I'm gettin the 100 yard stare again. It's bad. Some need R/R, but as BTD said...this guy, he isn't going to listen to advisors. We've got problems

    I have been trying to think of (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:54:25 AM EST
    something nice to say.

    I guess the best is just to say that I always thought he could win but never believed he would win.

    So this morning I feel better about our country.

    You feel worse.

    Such is life and I'm sure all of you will come roaring  back.

    I just want to know when all of those "stars" that vowed to leave the country if Trump won will be leaving and where they will go.

    Well, Jim (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:30:57 AM EST
    the GOP owns everything that happens from now on. Please remember to take responsibility.

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    I just wonder how many of your (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:30:55 AM EST
    acquaintances will die from lack of health care because of Trump.


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    About as many that would have died because (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:38:36 PM EST
    they couldn't afford Obamacare and paying the rest of their bills.

    For the working middle class it truly is a zero sum game. Something must go when the price of something else gets too high.

    For some that will be health care insurance because they can't afford it plus the increased tuition of a private school for junior because the local public schools are unsafe and failing.

    Of course if you had bothered to keep up you would have known that I favor a single payer. Which Obamacare is not and will never be.

    Trump's plan calls for competition across state lines. Given that the insurance companies now price based on costs in a zip code it will be interesting to see what will happen when true competition occurs.

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    I'm trying to think of a positive too... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:48:07 AM EST
    Notice has been served, if the Dems take heed it should be 4 and out. New liberal blood, bolder liberal deas, and new tactics are needed in the post-globalized world...it's a whole new ballgame.

    And at least it ain't Ted Cruz, right? I thought the R's picked the only horse Clinton could beat but even I underestimated the anger and feelings of betrayal in flyover country. In hindsight, the establishment never had a chance in this climate of globalization coming home to roost. Desperation ruled the day.

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    I think Cruz was too traditional (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:24:34 AM EST
    boilerplate hard-right Repub to ever plagiarize Bernie's thunder as shamelessly as Trump did.

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    True... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 11:45:05 AM EST
    Trump was the only one who could pull that con off, with no Conservative Bible he boxed himself into.

    Ohhhhh Bernie, what might have been. WI, MI, PA, FL may have gone the other way.

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    kdog, read again (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:22:25 PM EST
    the post to which you replied, because you did not get it.

    Bernie scripted Trump -- "crooked," "rigged," etc., and Trump often even credited Sanders.

    But Trump added anti-Semitism, which scored well in those states (that also Feingold is Jewish kept coming up in post-2010 Walker's Wisconsin), as well as elsewhere, so for that reason alone there is no "mighta been" for Bernie.  And there was more. . . .

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    Ummm... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:36:21 PM EST
    So you're saying a more credible populist anti-establishment message from a more decent candidate would have made no difference because Wisconsin won't elect Jews anymore?

    I think we're kidding ourselves if it as simple as sexism, racism, and anti-Semitism...those cancers played a role, but I ain't buying that it's the primary reason Trump won.

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    It's certainly what it feels like (none / 0) (#78)
    by CST on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:41:24 PM EST
    When you're sitting in the "other" seat.

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    I can only imagine... (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:56:12 PM EST
    Maybe I'm wrong, but it's hard to believe all those Obama counties in 08 and 12 just rediscovered their hatred of other. And hat the majority of white women hate blacks, Hispanics, muslims, jews, and themselves.

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    It's not ALWAYS hatred (none / 0) (#82)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:06:02 PM EST
    it is disregard for the "other" and only thinking of self by choosing the candidate that they believe aligns w/keeping their self secure.  It happened in many forms last night: purity, e.g. not a "decent" candidate, racists, misogynists, y'all are all in the same boat.

    Your callous disregard for the other is what binds you all.

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    Does a callous disregard... (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:17:06 PM EST
    For the working class by limousine liberals play into that at all Vic?

    Was there callous disregard for the country by the DNC and their preferred candidate?

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    No. There wasn't (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:25:00 PM EST
    Any other "questions"?

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    Got it... (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:36:12 PM EST
    half the country is selfish, racist, sexist pricks with callous disregard for their fellow man, and the Democratic Party have nothing to atone for in regards to effects of globalization on the American worker and income disparity. Thanks Yman.

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    Who are you talking about? (none / 0) (#93)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:39:17 PM EST
    Those limousine liberals ain't me, ain't your effin brown neighbor out there in LI w/you.

    Your fellow f*kcin citizens needed y'all last night and y'all are still talking that purity $hit?

    C'mon man, open your eyes brother.  Do you go to work every day because you need to?  I assume you would still go even if your boss was a d!ck?  That m*therf*cker is closer to your life than some politician in f@cking Washington DC.

    Black and brown people and white allies understand this REALITY and don't have time for that BS.  I've been saying the same thing for years here.

    One of the best lessons I ever learned as a child of the 70's - get your foot in the f&cking door first.

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    Purity? (none / 0) (#97)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:54:54 PM EST
    All The Dude ever wanted was some advocacy man.  Some representation.  Some honesty.  There is no purity...I know that.

    I say again, if anyone was callously disregarded it was you and me Brother, and all Americans outside the beltway and high finance...for 25 years or more.  

    Which left the tree ripe for strange fruit like Trump to come along with a fascist playbook and easy scapegoat answers to difficult questions.

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    Kdog (none / 0) (#101)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:10:21 PM EST
    black and brown people have been systematically screwed for over 400 years - $hit, longer than that.  Don't talk to me about your short time on this planet.  We were finally beginning to make some g@d d@mn progress.

    You don't always get what you want.  Suck it up.  You're not the only one who lives here.

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    No sh&t... (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:39:56 PM EST
    which begs the question, why would Democrats risk that progress trying to foist an establishment corporate Democrat upon us when the last thing poor folks, or at least poor white folks, wanted was a corporate establishment candidate because...I don't know...it was her turn?

    When the Dems failed to deliver a candidate to suit the political climate, they risked everything for selfish reasons.

    That being said...this is not the end of racial/gender/religious/lgbt tolerance my friend...merely a bump in a long long road. It has and always will be a fight the people will lead, and politicians will follow. One lousy election won't stop the peace train.

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    Democrats risk that progress (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:14:12 PM EST
    trying to foist

    oh you mean, following the will of the voters in Democratic party?  So you didn't get your way and thus could not be bothered?  Join the party next time.

    I disagree with your nonsense about "candidate to suit the political climate."  Do you hear yourself?  You rail against corporate whores and liars and then wanted us to push another corporate whore lying candidate. Cuz for sure Bernie was lying too.  There was hardly any difference between him and her. Except who was in the coalition, oh and one had a documented, well-reviewed plan

    Many of you white people can't even SEE your own hubris.  You think you're gonna have the same level of support from the black and brown end of the coalition NOW?  You couldn't be bothered, but you expect we'll all just follow along.  Might not work out like that.  Especially if folks such as yourself aren't prepared to work on your own families.

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    And speaking of the devil... (none / 0) (#100)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:08:50 PM EST
    my motherf&cking boss was all over the office touting Clinton the last few weeks.  Why?  Callous self regard for his investment portfolio.  

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    No, but I really (none / 0) (#79)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:42:47 PM EST
    can't read posts for you.

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    Ummm... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:44:44 PM EST
    So you're saying a more credible populist anti-establishment message from a more decent candidate would have made no difference because Wisconsin won't elect Jews anymore?

    I think we're kidding ourselves saying it is as simple as sexism, racism, and anti-Semitism...those cancers played a role, but I ain't buying that it's the primary reason Trump won.

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    I don't buy it either (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:34:06 PM EST
    people with a genuine sense of self-worth and inherent dignity have no need to use their tribal membership as a weapon against others.

    These folks have been played for suckers and used like dog meat by people who make "portfolio decisions" in faraway offices and boardrooms, and a lot of them are thrashing wildly and lashing out the way overwrought people tend to do..

    Trump is just the straw they're currently clutching at.

    Of course, if it makes people feel better to believe rural Trump supporters are just INHERENTLY sexist-racist-xenophobic etc the way the KKK believes Mexicans and Blacks are inherently lazy and stupid, suit yourselves.

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    Clearly you have no idea how to advance (none / 0) (#94)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:47:54 PM EST
    an overarching agenda.  Both sides-ing it to boot.

    Good Lord do you hear yourselves?

    The man said all kindsa racist sexist $hit, but, even though I don't agree with it, I'm still gonna vote for him, because, wait for it, he speaks for ME!

    r u f8cking kidding me?

    Only weapon here is a mirror showing you what your willful blindness means to those outside the mirror.

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    The DNC is looking (none / 0) (#102)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:16:57 PM EST
    for people like you who are miles ahead of everyone else when it comes to ideas that can advance an "overarching agenda."

    You should give them a call.

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    Your ability to snark at this moment is duly noted (none / 0) (#103)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:20:15 PM EST
    and ultimately not surprising.

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    My ability to snark is an (none / 0) (#104)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:27:37 PM EST
    evolved survival mechanism. Custom made for times like these.

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    At the very least (none / 0) (#96)
    by CST on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:53:58 PM EST
    Trump is all those things and it didn't prevent people from voting for him.

    Which means that they are at least inherently OK with it.

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    wordwerx: (none / 0) (#64)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 12:00:13 PM EST
    Mary had a protest vote,
    Her vote was white as snow,
    She voted libertarian,
    And off to hell we go

    I'll probably change to a real name.  Not feeling very natural today.  I mean, who the he$$ cares?

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    No kidding (none / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:38:12 PM EST
    just when I was on the verge of changing my name to Flakey Foont.

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    FL, NC, PA, MI, OH are "flyover states? (none / 0) (#36)
    by leftwig on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:08:12 AM EST
    Trump didn't win by only carrying the conservative states.

     

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    Flyover, rust belt... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:44:36 AM EST
    Anywhere outside the big cities and college towns...he basically won the lot of it, with big rural turn out.

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    That's how desperate these people (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:17:57 AM EST
    have become. They're willing to try anything as long as it "shakes things up."

    A lot of these rural areas are awash in ennui and opiates and they feel, not entirely incorrectly, that they've been left to twist in the wind.

    To point the finger at these folks and simply accuse them of moral failure manifested in the form of misogyny, xenophobia, racism etc and leaving it at that is exactly what the Right does when they talk about the poor in the inner city.

    It's not enough that so many "Democrats" seem to unconsciously identify with the agenda of the rootless predatory investor class; we also insult and thumb our noses the many who've been left behind.

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    Bull$hit (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:33:09 AM EST
    these folks and their aiders and abetters on the left did this for one reason only - the need to feel legitimized in the face of success vis a vis the first black president.

    accuse them of moral failure manifested in the form of misogyny, xenophobia, racism etc and leaving it at that is exactly what the Right does when they talk about the poor in the inner city.

    The economy improved significantly under PBO, the Dems had plans that could've helped these people.  

    Stoop trying to excuse it.  This is the problem in the first place.  Self f*cking interest won last night..  Let's not pretty it up looking for some reason when the answer is staring you in the face.   Turnout was down in key states we needed, not by the black folks.  

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    How the h@ll does Trump win White Women?!?! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:36:47 AM EST
    if it's not about re-affirming white power?

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    Hillary was talking about $hit that white people (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:46:07 AM EST
    didn't want to hear about.  Systemic racism and it's impacts, the need to for us all to get a piece of the pie.  That's why she lost.  Too many white folks aren't interested in that.

    Flint, MI water problems is a perfect example.  Who else was talking about that?

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    7 years and counting (none / 0) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:41:14 PM EST
    and < 1% GDP.

    Hillary offered more of the same.

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    I'm just devastated (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by CST on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:23:28 PM EST
    I didn't expect to take it this personally.  What does this mean for my nephews - who aren't exactly what you'd call traditionally white.  Or my sister who has already faced harassment for wearing a hijab, or myself, a woman with very real professional ambition in a very male dominated industry.  It will almost certainly result in the deportation and subsequent arrest of some friends of mine who are political refugees from Turkey - and Muslim.  They were over watching the returns with us - what can you even say at that point.

    I'm just devastated today.  This is what this country is.

    Go ahead, take it personally (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by FreakyBeaky on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:11:34 PM EST
    I do.

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    Yup, my usually very quiet cousin (none / 0) (#144)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 10:04:19 AM EST
    Very upset. Her husband's latino, her children half, and her grandchildren are all mixed up.

    She's scared

    This is awful

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    Yet another necropsy: (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:07:04 PM EST
    HufPost: The Democratic Party Deserved To Die

    In the face of Trump's willingness to boldly proclaim without facts or evidence that he would bring the good times back, we offered a tepid gallows logic. Well, those jobs are actually gone for good, we knowingly told them. And we offered a fantastical non-solution. We will retrain you for good jobs! Never mind that these "good jobs" didn't exist in East Kentucky or Cleveland. And as a final insult, we lectured a struggling people watching their kids die of drug overdoses about their white privilege. Can you blame them for calling bullshit? All Trump could offer was white nationalism as protection against competing with black and brown people. It wasn't a very compelling case, but it was vastly superior to a candidate who enthusiastically backed NAFTA, seems most at ease in a room of Goldman Sachs bankers and was almost certain to do nothing for these towns other than maybe setting up a local chapter of Rednecks Who Code.

    There was an incredibly revealing moment at the DNC. In an effort to rev up the crowd one of the speakers called out: "Who in this room works with their hands?" Silence.
    I used to like Krystal Ball (none / 0) (#105)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:32:39 PM EST
    I'm sure she had a bunch of Trump voters in her family.  Or has never had to worry about any of the things Trump threatened.  She must've to utter a line like this:

    It wasn't a very compelling case, but it was vastly superior

    The privilege is coming out now.  $hit my little girls experienced it on the school bus today.  Can you imagine a school bus full of children chanting "Donald Trump!  Donald Trump!  Donald Trump!"

    God for-f*ckin-bid anyone looks at/talks about the problems w/in their own family.  It's always the "others" fault.  Good luck getting them lib/prog priorities thru now.

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    i enjoyed reading this article (none / 0) (#134)
    by linea on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:37:38 PM EST
     

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    So says the smug and self-satisfied Ms. Ball, ... (none / 0) (#137)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:07:39 PM EST
    ... who blamed her own electoral loss in a 2010 congressional race on the premise that she's simply too good looking.

    Okay, I'm being totally unfair with that snark, because Krystal Ball meant her own comment as the same. Further, it certainly wasn't her fault that a GOP blogger discovered and posted a old photo of her from younger days, in which she was clad in a tight tank top and Santa hat, and sitting on her then-fiancé's lap while he's brandishing a dildo.

    I mean, people will often base their votes on some pretty dumb and insignificant things -- which, of course, brings us back to the underlying premise of Ms. Ball's article.

    While I applaud her for her throwing her hat in the ring back in 2010, one single congressional candidacy does not endow her with either the wisdom or the experience to diagnose the perceived ills of an entire political party and declare it dead.

    I was heading up an initiative campaign to preserve a valuable and beloved coastline back when Ms. Ball was still in first grade, and I've worked in politics ever since. Even with my own extensive experience, which dwarfs hers fourfold, I wouldn't presume to write such an impertinent obituary, only one day after a political upset.

    I'm still trying to process what happened here and why it occurred. It's too bad that Ms. Ball didn't actually take the time to try and do the same, and instead rushed to offer a self-serving take which also -- and not merely coincidentally -- vindicates her earlier support for Bernie Sanders' presidential candidacy.

    ;-D

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    i see no purpose (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by linea on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:37:21 PM EST
    in providing a detailed description of this old photo including your opinion of whether her clothing is too tight other than "slut shaming" a woman.

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    yup (none / 0) (#145)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 10:48:58 AM EST


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    Wow. Krystal Ball thinks so? (none / 0) (#146)
    by Yman on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 11:30:52 AM EST
    I can't tell if you're being serious posting this or trying to be funny.

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    Who cares ... (none / 0) (#147)
    by Yman on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 11:36:11 AM EST
    ... about the silly opinions of Krystal Ball, besides a few of her fellow,  bitter Berners?

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    I'm turning off the news (4.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:34:21 AM EST
    for the next four years. I'm not reporting on Trump any more.

    I would be happy to see a return (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:09:14 AM EST
    to the politics of crime.

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    Same here (none / 0) (#66)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 12:14:37 PM EST


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    I like writing about (none / 0) (#118)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:25:49 PM EST
    ISIS, the DEA, El Chapo and sentencing reform. And some foreign stuff like Indonesia, Pistorius, etc. I'm not into the individual cases the media here over-reports on..I know some of you here like to hash out every detail, but I don't I'll be doing much of that.

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    Me too! (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:28:28 PM EST


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    Condolences (4.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:18:53 AM EST
    I have been spending my time at talkingpointsmemo for the election season.
    I think Hillary is extremely capable and had great ideas; however, she has practically no political talent. The "deplorables" comment may have cost the election all by itself.
    Of course the Republicans cheated in many ways, as they always do.
    I think the Comey intervention was historic---the kind of shocking, consequential act which occurs only a few times in a century.

    Best wishes to all of you.

    The deplorables (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:52:02 AM EST
    statement didn't move her numbers but Comey sure did. But then as we have seen over the last 16 years Republicans will always attempt to steal something.

    I relish the fact that Trump is now their problem but unfortunately their failures have foisted a dangerous demagogue on the entire country.

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    All Hillary Hubris (1.00 / 3) (#26)
    by thomas rogan on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:44:22 AM EST
    She knew she was a flawed candidate from the start.  She had already been rejected once in 2008 when she was the anointed one then.  She could have dropped out in 2015 and let Elizabeth Warren (the pregressive) and Joe Biden (the centrist) battle it out for the nomination.  Either one would have whipped Trump.  You Hillary supporters all know it.  It is her blind ambition that led us to this pass.

    She won the popular vote (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:31:28 AM EST
    Our system is flawed.

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    My (1.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:20:38 AM EST
    My but those grapes are sour.

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    The truth hurts (none / 0) (#88)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:31:59 PM EST
    Unless,  of course,  you prefer systems where your vote counts more than someone else's.

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    You mean (none / 0) (#128)
    by coast on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:30:59 PM EST
    Like a superdelegate?

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    ha ha! this is funny! (none / 0) (#132)
    by linea on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:27:53 PM EST


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    Maybe when it's translated? (none / 0) (#142)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 11:21:53 PM EST


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    Sure (none / 0) (#140)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 11:18:38 PM EST
    Get rid of those,  too.

    Next.

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    Hillary wasn't flawed (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by ding7777 on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 12:45:02 PM EST
    This will always be remembered as the presidential election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate. -Victor Laszlo


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    My daughters learned a valuable lesson ... (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    ... yesterday about the selective imposition of double standards as it pertains to gender, in which a man can be excused for literally anything, while a woman will be blamed for absolutely everything.

    Aloha.

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    Cmon now... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 12:53:07 PM EST
    It's clear as day she was a flawed candidate in light of the populist furor sweeping the western world.

    She may well have been the right candidate...but at the wrong f*cking time. And timing is everything.


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    she has won the popular vote (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:26:58 PM EST
    that's not flawed

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    All candidates have flaws (none / 0) (#129)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:08:56 PM EST
    Hillary lacked the charisma of a crowd pleaser

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    33,000 people stood in lines (none / 0) (#130)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:15:38 PM EST
    over a mile long to get into Independence Mall, in historic Philadelphia, to see and hear HRC, and to cheer, on Monday evening. They found her charismatic enough.

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    But it wasn't enough to beat (none / 0) (#135)
    by McBain on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:40:15 PM EST
    another candidate with serious flaws.  The difference in rally size was noticeable.  She doesn't have the people skills her husband has and it cost her.

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    My comment was responsive solely (none / 0) (#136)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:01:31 PM EST
    to the claim that HRC lack charisma. Rally turnout is immaterial overall. And besides, she won a majority of the popular vote over that clownish, woman-hating sociopath.

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    not flawed, (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:17:07 PM EST
    she was the victim of Clinton Derangement Syndrome, take it elsewhere. Don't presume to tell us what you think we know, speak for yourself.

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    facts (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by thomas rogan on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:07:47 PM EST
    I know that the Republican media (Fox News, Megyn Kelly, etc) and GOP party officials tried their best to not nominate Mr. Trump and to find anyone else.

    I know that the Democratic media (CNN, Donna Brazile, debate question leaking) and party officials (Debbie Wasserman Schultz among others) tried their best to rig the process to pick a candidate who was liable to be a victim of Clinton Derangement Syndrome and to exclude anyone else.  

    If you understand what Clinton Derangement Syndrome is then why in the would would you not nominate someone who supports progressive policies and is not tainted with it?  I guess that is a speculative question.

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    Wingnut garbage (none / 0) (#141)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 11:20:25 PM EST
    ... is not "facts".

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    Bahahahahaha (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:29:51 AM EST
    Donald Trump has lit up the Empire State building with Trump. So many phallic symbols so little time. What will he do to the Washington Monument?

    This President comes (none / 0) (#11)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:47:32 AM EST
    with a theme song.  Green Day's American Idiot

    Michael Moore called this one (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:55:12 AM EST
    right down the line a few months ago.

    Almost prophetically, in this one instance.

    Yes he did (none / 0) (#15)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:31:44 AM EST
    Brexit, Part 2

    Biggest Middle Finger to the Elite....EVER

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    Sorry Trevor (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:47:06 AM EST
    but Trump is going to lose the popular vote. No way does that compare. We've got yet another minority president from the GOP. What is wrong with you guys?

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    Let me see (none / 0) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 08:03:14 AM EST
    .2%........that's POINT 2%

    And that's with New York, MA, NJ, CA...as well as Chicago, Atlanta... Actually all the major cities.

    Perhaps a more accurate description is Non urban country..

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    And to rub salt into the raw wound ... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:52:21 AM EST
    ... while adding to surrealism of the dark moment, the latest returns from the west coast at 3:50 a.m. PST have given Hillary Clinton the lead in the nationwide popular vote, which she's likely to hold and expand. In fact, given that 15% of California's ballots are still outstanding, she's on track to win that state by nearly three million votes and an almost 2-1 margin. She's also way up in Washington state by nearly 500,000 votes, with 35% of precincts still to report.

    Yeah (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:13:20 AM EST
    ironic isn't it that this has happened TWICE in 16 years to the benefit of the GOP. Something has to change. We have to quit having minority GOP presidents not voted for by the majority.

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    Or, we can expand the map ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:36:16 AM EST
    ... per Howard Dean's "50-state strategy" of 10 years ago, step out of our urban comfort zones, and not be so ready and willing to concede whole swaths of rural America to the GOP. It did Democrats no good to run up the score in coastal California, western Washington, southern New York and eastern Massachusetts, only to be cancelled out on the margins electorally in the rural communities of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

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    Actually that was (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:50:17 AM EST
    ran this year. I had someone to actually vote for the first time in 10 years in my district. However the types of candidates that would win in my district are the dreaded blue dogs that the Bernie Bro types detest. One of them even told me it was a bad idea because it brought in too many blue dogs (unpure) congress people.

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    If we seek philosophical purity in our party, ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 12:03:06 PM EST
    ... in which the right to run for office in our name is duly reserved only for those who so happen to agree fully with the "BernieBros," we'll only have need of a much smaller tent.

    Preaching to the choir works for Republicans because (a) white people still comprise 70%-plus of the U.S. electorate, and (b) an overwhelming majority of them are still receptive to the seductive siren calls of Lady Bigotry.

    As of 12:40 p.m. EST, Hillary Clinton is ahead by 234,318 votes in the nationwide popular count. So even with last night's sobering outcome, it remains clear that the GOP's appeals to white resentment / entitlement and people's worst fears and instincts about "The Other" obviously won't work much longer, due to our country's rapidly changing demographics.

    But for our part and for right now, given the events of last night and the world's budding negative reaction to them, we clearly don't have the luxury of time in waiting for the demographical shift to play out. Our mostly urban / suburban coalition of liberal whites and people of color didn't hold up. We need to up our game and aggressively expand our reach into rural America.

    Aloha.

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    Hey, if you're a white a girl you can fake it toda (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:34:34 AM EST
    The zombies don't necessarily know you aren't one. But brown girls? Run?

    I thought I heard in passing on NPR (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:08:41 AM EST
    this morning that the exit-poll demographic breakdown had more white women voting Tr*mp than for Clinton. Is that true? If so, there are psychosocial or other influences at work more powerful than self-respect. Other than racism and xenophobia, what might they be? I am feeling despair.

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    That's what BTD associates said on (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:11:05 AM EST
    Twitter last night. My own sex goes Demagogue. We can all start kicking kids out for the fatherland meat grinder now. Get cracking all you not first choices!

    Sorry, not having a good day. My husband dissolved into tears in my arms this morning. I bawled last night. I actually bawled reading BTD tweets. I needed to cry anyhow.

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    Oculus did call the woman hate (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:20:30 AM EST
    In private conversation when Florida started looking iffy at 8:00 pm central. She saw it coming clearly.

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    The Abortion issue (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:56:46 AM EST
    It was the abortion issue and the leverage they believe they'll get with a new Supreme Court.  That's what conservatives told me to my face.

    Obviously there are other issues, biases, cognitive lenses...

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    I don't trust many of the numbers.. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:30:13 AM EST
    ...from various states, Ohio and Florida chief among them. Why would we with their history of voter shenanigans and suppression? I don't really buy it. But the press in this country are largely as useless as the pols they fail to investigate, and they're certainly not going to investigate anything here.

    Elect Obama post 9-11, follow it up with a lose-the-popular-vote-win-the-Presidency Trump. Just an incomparably, unpredictably dysfunctional nation. Peace to all.

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    Exit Polls on CNN (none / 0) (#54)
    by me only on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:51:16 AM EST
    white women +10% to Trump (53-43).  My wife hates Trump.  Hates him.  I will never ask who she voted for, but this election was agony for her.  She marched in Pride parades in the 1980s.    She has voted for SSM.  She believe that women should be able to abort a fetus even in the third trimester.She made food for the 10 or so Occupy protestors in our city.  

    But
    The Supreme Court is about to rule on letting men in women's bathrooms.  As a rape survivor that issue is a big, big deal for her.

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    Please reassure your wife (none / 0) (#68)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 12:32:42 PM EST
    that the Supreme Court is not "about to rule" (neither soon nor any time) so as to allow men into women's restrooms. The Court may, however, rule that the Department of Education did not overstep its authority in opining that transgender females must be allowed to use public school restrooms along with all other female students. Transgender women do not pose a threat to rape other women (at least, no more than the trivial risk that any other woman might).

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    If you think for one second that (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by me only on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 01:02:37 PM EST
    I am going to try to explain this to her, you are truly lost.

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    She might be open to learning, (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:24:42 PM EST
    given her background and history, that transwomen are not "men."

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    Trump also (none / 0) (#121)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:28:27 PM EST
    Received a higher % of the black and Latin vote than Romney did

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    It's a powerful thing to be white in the USA (none / 0) (#148)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 02:59:21 PM EST
    What I really think Peter? Some white women are never going to be honest with me about who they voted for in this election or why.

    They will find themselves on the wrong side of history and true spiritual growth. This was it though, this was their last chance to grasp that white power that we all grew up with. You'd get to set it aside if you chose and be nice to brown people and get an extra kudo for it, for being "a nice" person. Equality though means...you aren't a special white person any longer by treating brown people like human beings. We are on the verge culturally of getting there. And Trump dog whistled and the white b*tches heard it. And a lot of them will go to their graves lying about it. That's what I really think Peter.

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    Okay, I've got an honest answer (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:36:41 PM EST
    From one I suspected. They are very stressed financially. They can't get ahead no matter what they do. He's having to work away from home, she's working full time and raising the kids alone. They were never able to really recover after the crash. They hung onto the house but it's been hell for eight years. Something has to change. They can't continue at this level of stress. Clinton would not have changed anything and they need things to change.

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    My father always told me (none / 0) (#151)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:05:27 PM EST
    never trust a white woman. And he was white.

    I'm gonna start calling them white walkers.

    Sorry, more steam blowing off..

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    I understand (none / 0) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 04:28:12 PM EST
    I've said much worse

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    My son's FFA teacher (none / 0) (#150)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 03:55:29 PM EST
    Said he voted for change, but seeing the kids crying and protesting, he says this isn't the change he wanted. He's scared of Trump, but voted for change

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    The stock market is going up. (none / 0) (#30)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:36:18 AM EST
    How can this be true?  It may be back to Costa Rica for me.  Hopefully Roger, my boat keeper still has my boat.

    on it's way back down again... (none / 0) (#31)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:41:26 AM EST


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    The gamblers have no more... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 08:49:24 AM EST
    of a clue than we do Fish.

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    You're right dog... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:05:50 AM EST
    I'm going fishing, and not going to the gym until next week.

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    Stock Market (none / 0) (#153)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Nov 10, 2016 at 06:50:54 PM EST
    Still going up.

    Silly me, I pulled my 401k into cash equivalents just before the election...just in case, lol.

    I was going to to re align the 401 anyway,

    But this recent upswing caught me by surprise.

    Certain sectors appear to love the cutting through of regulations, and I will most likely re structure the 401 k into some of those, and half in a T Bill fund

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    A tweet I saw this morning (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:16:00 AM EST
    Said this:

    My mom literally just texted me "don't wear the Hijab please" and she's the most religious person in our family....

    Yikes

    Remember, this is a man who (none / 0) (#43)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 09:55:56 AM EST
    thrives on and relishes revenge. Kristallnacht is coming.

    This election will (none / 0) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:07:17 AM EST
    be studied and discussed for years to come, if we have years to come.  But, my early impression, is that the Trump win is based on over-arching racial hostility, dwarfing other national issues.

     Trump, the supposed agent of change, was seen as holding back the changes occurring in America.  The demography is threatening, including women's empowerment as presented by Mrs. Clinton--especially to less-educated white men.

     An exit poll reported yesterday in Politico indicated that many voters wanted "a strong leader,"  setting off alarm bells for me, in that Trump was apparently seen as the guy to wall in the country against changes and a guy who could deal with "those people", and prevent immigrants and minorities from getting ahead, as they see it, at their expense.  Literally, at their expense which either escaped them or a price they were willing to pay to make America white again.

    Trump was aided and abetted by some more than willing partners: cable news, twitter and other media, who found that this goose laid golden eggs for them.

    Marijuana legalization in CA, MA is (none / 0) (#50)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 10:32:50 AM EST
    irrelevant. Trump is the "law and order" candidate. It's over for CO as well. The DEA will get bigger and stronger. Federal charges will be filed en masse. Wait for the return of the Nixon war on drugs.

    I was DEAD Wrong and I apologize (none / 0) (#59)
    by pitachips on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 11:17:14 AM EST
    to those on here whose opinion I discounted. Eating humble pie, crow and anything else you guys/gals who called this put on a plate.

    Looks like a perfect storm. A lot of Whites coming out in full force thinking this is the last stand for their people. Trump flipping districts that Obama won handily. Apparently sexism doesn't matter. Trump over performing with Hispanics and lower AA turnout.  

    Hope the aging liberals in the SC can hold out.  

    but why? (none / 0) (#131)
    by linea on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:19:00 PM EST

    Trump flipping districts that Obama won handily.

    was it trump's democratic-socialist plan to restructure the economy to benefit industrial labourers and manufacturing workers? because trump wont actually do that.

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    The Five or so stages of celebrity grief (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 11:32:25 AM EST
    Sara Silverman, JK Rowling, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Mick Jagger, DeadMaus, etc on twitter.

    I stand chastened. What the world needs now is more anonymous hate frogs. Dazzle us with your insights and empathy, do.
    - Rowling

    That's nice you think so (none / 0) (#89)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 02:34:04 PM EST
    Pfffffttttt...

    that comment was deleted (none / 0) (#116)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:19:02 PM EST
    as posting opinion as fact. Rogan is out of here if he continues to do that.

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    I think we've got an... (none / 0) (#110)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 03:54:06 PM EST
    Upton Sinclair thing going on here with the media and Democratic Party trying to make sense of the result.

    'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

    Just chalk it up to xenophobic misogynist racist crackers in West Bubblef*ck, nothing else to see here.

    jondee get off the attacks on (none / 0) (#112)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:12:09 PM EST
    commenters here or you will be banned.

    Last think I'll say tonite (none / 0) (#120)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:28:08 PM EST
    I don't want to blog clog.  I've been coming here for over 8 years now and have to come to admire many of you.  Jeralyn, Jondee, Kdog, thank you for allowing me to vent today, apologies if I offended you.

    I will say this though, we've got to get serious about winning together.  Every 8 years of success is followed by 4-8 years of backtracking because we have "issues" w/the new standard bearer.  The GOP just showed you how it's done, and our children may suffer for it.  If you are interested in a different perspective, a black/brown perspective on this election and a possible way forward, visit Propane Jane's TL on twitter.

    No worries... (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 05:51:38 PM EST
    and no offense taken, hope the same on your end. I appreciate your take on things.

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    It's ok, V (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 06:22:20 PM EST
    I was venting (a little too much) in my own way myself.

    This too will pass.

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    thread cleaned (none / 0) (#122)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 04:31:54 PM EST
    of insults and false accusations.
    Dadler, you need to go back to wherever you been, your comments violate our rules. Your accusatory opinions are  not fact. And you cannot use obscene language here. Three of your comments have been deleted.

    college-educated white women (none / 0) (#133)
    by linea on Wed Nov 09, 2016 at 07:30:16 PM EST
    this is the only white demographic trump did mot win.

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