Obama Spends July 4th With New Citizens

By Jeralyn, Section Obama Administration
Posted on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:35:20 PM EST
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President Obama, as is his custom, spent July 4th with military families, at a White House backyard barbecue, but he began the day presiding over a citizenship ceremony for 25 new citizens.

“Just as we remain a nation of laws, we have to remain a nation of immigrants,” Mr. Obama said. “And that’s why, as another step forward, we’re lifting the shadow of deportation from deserving young people who were brought to this country as children. It’s why we still need a Dream Act — to keep talented young people who want to contribute to our society and serve our country.

Immigration is another issue that sets him apart from Mitt Romney. I wonder how that issue polls in the swing-states that everyone says will determine the election in November. It's likely to help him in Colorado and Nevada, but what about the others? [More...]

The reality is Obama's immigration reform is far too limited.

Mr. Obama used the occasion both to recall his recent order suspending deportation of people brought to the United States illegally as children and to once again urge Congress to pass the so-called Dream Act, which would grant legal status, not citizenship, to such people who serve in the military or seek higher education in the United States.

There are 12 million undocumented residents who need relief, not just those in the military and students. But under a Republican administration, none would get relief. So once again, Obama is a better choice.

The White House barbecue was well-themed for the holiday. Lemonade and cotton candy and a country music show.

In the evening, with the temperature still in the 90s, Mr. Obama and Michelle Obama mingled on the South Lawn with casually dressed service members, some in wheelchairs, and their families amid tables clothed in red, white and blue and tents with lemonade and cotton candy stands. Entertainment included the Marine Corps band, the country music star Brad Paisley and, of course, the annual fireworks display on the National Mall — viewed from a prime location.

Actually sounds like a fun time.

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"We have to remain a nation (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by Towanda on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:44:00 PM EST

of immigrants" is a provocative line, for which he may get guff. But he'd get guff, anyway.

It's a great line, and I'm glad he said it.

As for the celebration on the Mall, always one of my favorites to watch on public tv on the Fourth, it was a dud this year. I don't know why, exactly, but Spouse Towanda -- having become an aficionado, forced as he has been to watch these with me for years now -- said so first and was spot-on.

Perhaps the weather enervated everyone there, even in D.C. where they are used to this, but I know from family there that many still are without power and are sweltering.

So are we in Chicago, with its record 102 temp today, the hottest Fourth of July in more than a century, 101 years. Ditto around the Upper Midwest, with records busted, roads buckling, etc.

In '95, weather like this under a "heat dome" that held on for days, as this one is predicted to do, too, killed more than a hundred in Chicago, more than a dozen in Wisconsin, and fewer but still others elsewhere. And parts of Chicago still are without power as well, three days now after the derecho storm started here before it swept east to create a swath of destruction in D.C. and across several states.

I am hopeful that we have learned a lot since then, especially about a major cause of many of those deaths, which was the impact of extended hot weather on people taking certain meds. It also is not as humid . . . yet, owing to the extended drought in the Upper Midwest.

Some of our favorite summer crops are destroyed, too, with sad impact upon farming families -- including some at our favorite farmers' market, the Hmong. They will survive, again, though. On the Fourth, especially, they are a reminder of why we have to remain a nation of immigrants.

It was also (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by jbindc on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 06:18:43 AM EST

Malia's 14th birthday. How cool is it that your dad is president and you get to watch the most amazing fireworks from the Truman Balcony of the White House for your birthday?

Not all immigration is for altrusitic reasons (5.00 / 4) (#8)
by Dadler on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:02:18 AM EST

I posted this a few months back, but it remains quite telling to me, for various ironic reasons. We are told America doesn't produce enough top science students and the like, so we have to import (bad word when talking about humans, I realize) PhD's from other countries to fill the gap. The reality is that this notion is, in short, complete bullsh*t, and is done for one reason -- so one group of people (those hiring the PhD's) can treat another group of people (those they hire) like indentured servants and pay them crumbs comparatively. As usual, it's about making sure money remains more important than human beings.

What Scientist Shortage? (link)

I missed your original (5.00 / 2) (#13)
by Zorba on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:57:38 AM EST

post on this, Dadler, but you and the CJR are correct about this. Daughter Zorba and Son-in-Law Zorba are in the biological sciences, highly trained, highly skilled, and are having a he!! of a time finding jobs. (They are both currently post-doctoral fellows, but those positions do not last, nor are they meant to last, forever.)
My daughter has long complained that we are producing way more scientists (at least, in molecular biology) than there are jobs. She likened it to a "pyramid scheme."
It also doesn't help that in this country government funding for scientific research has been cut way back. Mr. Zorba (also a molecular biologist) has participated in a number of grant reviews over the years, and he has noted that grant applications that scored very, very high and would have received funding 10 or 12 years ago, are not getting funded now. So much for academic science.
The hiring of foreign scientists is particularly high among the American science and bio-tech fields in for-profit companies. However, one of the Brothers Zorba (he works for a bio-tech company) has noted that, while everyone complains about the out-sourcing of American jobs overseas, the bio-tech field is one of the fields that has significant "in-sourcing" of jobs. He wasn't talking about American companies that import foreign scientists, but about foreign-owned companies that set up shop over here and hire Americans. He, and one of my other brothers (I have a lot of them!), both work for European companies that have a significant presence here. So that is at least a small positive sign.
This still isn't academic science, however, which concerns me. I realize that many people believe that the government "can't do anything right and it should all be privatized." However, companies exist to make money, and if a line of research, or a possible new drug, is not going to make them a whole lot of money, they're not going to pursue that line. That would leave a lot of people with less "popular" (if I may use the term) diseases with nobody to do research into the causes, cures, and medications that might help that disease. Not to mention that it pretty much means that there will not be as much fundamental, important research done. If it doesn't have a foreseeable-in-the-near-future profit-making application, forget it. Who knows how much basic science that could profoundly effect our future health, is not being done as a result?
Ah, well, I'm going on too long about this.


Dear Ms Zorba (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by NYShooter on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 03:02:14 AM EST

I think the street term for what you're describing is "orphan" drugs, or "orphan" illnesses. As you mentioned, those are drugs for illnesses that are relatively rare, and for which the rate of return would be very low, or even non-existent. It's also understandable that a for-profit company, whose mandate, after all, is to return as high a profit to its investors as possible, would not pursue certain "losers."

Having said that, it gets my blood boiling when I think about the issues that we, as a society, have decided are important, and which are not. Regarding things like "orphan" drugs, capitalism won't solve it, nor will "free enterprise." That's a function that only the Government can take on. It is absolutely a responsibility, and a duty, of the Government to step in and tackle issues that our for-profit system simply can not.

Like they say, "elections have consequences." Do we really want to elect someone representing a political party that's rabidly anti-education, anti-Government involvement, and anti-research & science as the one Mitt Romney represents?

(and, just in case you were brought up in a rabidly anti-education family.......that was a rhetorical question....hee, hee:)

p.s. fyi, I just slapped myself up-side the back of my head in case you were inclined to hop aboard a plane and come do it to me for real. It's o.k. to joke with you like this, isn't it, Ms Zorba? No, really, isn't it? It's o.k, right?

Ms Zorba?


: LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Zorba on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 06:34:39 AM EST

You can joke away, NYShooter, joke away.
Free enterprise won't get companies to stop polluting, either- not when they stand to lose money by putting in pollution controls. Free enterprise won't solve a whole lot of things, despite what Republicans keep saying.
(No, I did not come from any kind of anti-education family. We all got college degrees, and most of us got advanced degrees.)

who should be out of work (5.00 / 3) (#14)
by jondee on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 12:27:00 PM EST

and getting lives - or finding out what life is about - are all these putzes coming out of the schools of business and economics who continue to perpetuate the inhumane and inhuman 19th cent paradigms that see those scientists, and most other people (at least while they're working) as disposable tools..Means to an end..


Dadler (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by cal1942 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:02:48 PM EST

Many thanks for the link. The CJR article contained links to a couple of interesting studies.

This is proof that no one's safe as long as we allow political Conservatives their iron grip on American politics.


Good article Dadler (none / 0) (#11)
by fishcamp on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 10:54:09 AM EST

with great comments. Have you ever written any science fiction stories?


Talented? (none / 0) (#3)
by lousy1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:09:22 AM EST

from deserving young people who were brought to this country as children. It's why we still need a Dream Act -- to keep talented young people who want to contribute to our society and serve our country.

Where does the EO require that the illegal immigrants who won't be deported are talented hardworking or productive?

BTW there is no requirement that the immigrant was brought by his guardians into the US.

What's your point... (5.00 / 4) (#4)
by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:26:02 AM EST

You wanna tape the Gong Show at an ICE detention facility? And if Nipsy Russel bangs the gong the poor slob gets deported, and if they get through their talent showcase they can stay?


5 points (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by jbindc on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:34:56 AM EST

For both the Nipsy Russell and Gong show reference in the same sentence.


My pleasure;)... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:50:32 AM EST

Probably not hardline enough an idea though, never satisfy the hardliners...maybe give the judges pistols instead of a gong, to shoot at the feet of the paperless, makin' 'em dance.

Dancing with the Undocumented, tonight on ABC.

My beef with the EO and Dream Act proposals are the caveats...a high school dropout can't stay? A 40 year old who was brought here as a child? Somebody with a record who turned their life around? Why? Are they somehow less worthy of basic human decency than a high school graduate or veteran?


I think (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by jbindc on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:18:50 AM EST

We have to start somewhere and it's more "palatable" to talk about people who are "doing something with their lives" and are "productive".

One bite at a time, my friend.


I hear ya... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:29:04 AM EST

gotta start somewhere...but there is something unsavory to me about judging, and sentencing to imprisonment & deportation, based on such subjective things as "productivity" and "doing something", or "high school diplomas" and "military service/criminal records" aka more pieces of paper. It's not how you judge a worth of a person, at least in my world...as if we should be judging worth at all before f*cking with people and throwing their lives upside down, we ain't god.

: hate to break it to you, (none / 0) (#16)
by cpinva on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 04:18:02 PM EST

It's not how you judge a worth of a person
but yes, in this country, it is. the more pieces of paper you acquire (diplomas, DD-214, etc), the more worthy you are deemed. kind of a calvinistic approach, if you will. i'm not suggesting it's right, but realistically, we already have lots of just very nice people, we really don't need to import any more.

It is NOT an Executive Order (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by christinep on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 11:11:29 AM EST

It IS Enforcement Discretion. Get your facts straight, lousy. Discretion in enforcement, under a plethora of federal law, has been practiced directly by all Administrations in modern times as a way to comply with the law while injecting equity (i.e., considering the individual cases) and as an important attribute of expending existing limited resources wiesly.

Check the facts, not the rightwing sentiments that seem to adhere to the old technique of saying if enough with the intent that people will believe. Check the facts.


So valid laws are only enforced by executive whim? (2.00 / 2) (#17)
by lousy1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 04:21:10 PM EST

If the adminiustration refused to enforce the voting rights act would you be ok with that also?


No one said anything about "whim" (none / 0) (#18)
by christinep on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:45:51 PM EST

Your comment, IMO, epitomizes game-playing...nowhere near dialogue.


christine, this isn't game-playing, it's (5.00 / 2) (#26)
by Anne on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:33:25 PM EST

just the way the right wing rolls...take a gander at the comments section at Red State or any of similar sites and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I expect lousy1 and others of his/her ilk, drawn by the Zimmerman case, are having a wonderful time pushing people's buttons here - but once you recognize it for what it is, it's a lot easier to ignore.


OK, I thought the President (none / 0) (#20)
by lousy1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 07:45:27 PM EST

took an oath to

I, name, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

That would include faithfully executioning the laws of this country.

I suspect that in a few months you may come around to my point of view.


Really? Were you complaining when ... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
by Yman on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 10:11:01 PM EST

... the Bush admin used enforcement/prosecutorial discretion when deciding whether to prosecute/deport immigrants? Prosecutorial and enforcement discretion are principles that have been repeatedly upheld by the Supreme Court.

This Court has recognized on several occasions over many years that an agency's decision not to prosecute or enforce, whether through civil or criminal process, is a decision generally committed to an agency's absolute discretion. - Heckler v. Chaney

Prosecutorial discretion is a "special province of the Executive" - RENO V. AMERICAN-ARAB ANTI-DISCRIMINATION COMM.

it is important that we all apply sound principles of prosecutorial discretion, uniformly throughout our offices and in all of our cases, to ensure that the cases we litigate on behalf of the United States, whether at the administrative level or in the federal courts, are truly worth litigating - 2005 ICE Memo

If an alien is an immediate relative of a military service member, a favorable exercise of discretion, including not issuing [a Notice To Appear], should be a prime consideration. - 2005 ICE memo

Similar memos for members of the armed forces, nursing mothers, etc.


Sure I objected when (none / 0) (#32)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:15:05 AM EST

Bush engaged in selected enforcement also. The best way to reform an unjust law is to enforce it vigorously


So you think ... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Yman on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:24:37 AM EST

... the immigration laws are "unjust", or you're just giving strategic advice to those who do?

BTW - Love to see some of those contemporaneous objections. Links?


Even if I could find them (none / 0) (#35)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:49:02 AM EST

they would be on sites that would, evidently, cause you to shrivel up into a ball and expire.

Do you have links to your posts supporting Bush?


Never said I did (none / 0) (#38)
by Yman on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 11:38:21 AM EST

Just pointing out that prosecutorial/enforcement discretion is a policy that has been upheld for many, many years - and for good reason.

OTOH - not surprised you couldn't find them.


Not surprised that you couldn't either (none / 0) (#41)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 12:19:24 PM EST

: Why would I? (none / 0) (#55)
by Yman on Sun Jul 08, 2012 at 05:32:12 PM EST

I'm not the one (selectively) complaining about prosecutorial/enforcement discretion.

The current laws (none / 0) (#36)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 09:51:09 AM EST

are a schizophrenic blend of rules and winks


: Good to know your opinion (none / 0) (#39)
by Yman on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 11:39:14 AM EST

... but that's not an answer.

He is faithfully executing the laws of the US (none / 0) (#23)
by christinep on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:25:14 PM EST

Righties need to check their facts & familiarize themselves with court-sanctioned practices, such as enforcement discretion (defining, via guidelines and/or policy the mechanisms for enforcement--not the whether, the mechanisms--as the President's policy has done.) Limbaugh gets paid to talk loudly not to know whether what he claims so loudly is accurate in fact or in law.


"Talented" was the word he used (none / 0) (#5)
by Yman on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:28:21 AM EST

The administration will stop deporting young undocumented immigrants who meet certain criteria: They have to have graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED or served in the military, have no criminal record, be younger than 30 and have been brought to the U.S. under the age of 16, "by no fault of their own," as Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on a conference call with reporters this morning. These approximately 800,000 immigrants will have an opportunity to obtain work permits, which will give them legal status in the country.

"Talented", "hardworking" and "productive" are subjective terms, but the EO requires then to be in school or the military, as well as have no criminal record in order to qualify for working papers, which would allow them to stay in the country without risk of deportation. I'm not sure who said they must have been brought to the US by their guardians, but to qualify under the EO, they must have been brought here before age 16 through no fault of their own.


I'm not sure I would have picked (none / 0) (#15)
by itscookin on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 03:44:07 PM EST

the venue that he did to address this issue. He was standing in front of a group of people who had followed all of the rules, waited their turn, and had worked their way through the system to become citizens. Although I agree with the idea of a path to citizenship for young people who were brought here illegally by their parents, the optics of this just doesn't sit right.

Whose optics? (none / 0) (#19)
by christinep on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 05:46:35 PM EST

Whose optics? The electorate. (none / 0) (#21)
by lousy1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 07:47:48 PM EST

Particularly the undecided blue collar voters


Oh, I thought you meant (none / 0) (#24)
by christinep on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 08:26:32 PM EST

the fastest growing voter component in the country: Hispanic voters.


I think Hispanic is a designation of language (none / 0) (#25)
by lousy1 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:20:40 PM EST

not a cohesive ethnic label.

Do legal immigrants, hopefully assimulating into the common culture, really disregard the economic jeopardy that an influx of quasi legal job seekers?


Hispanic ... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
by sj on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 12:40:45 AM EST

... is an ethnicity.


Where is the common ethnic background (none / 0) (#31)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:10:24 AM EST

Between a Madrid native, a Filipino tribesman and a descendant of the Inca's.


Either from Spain ... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
by Yman on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 08:34:54 AM EST

... or or other Spanish culture or origin, such as a colony. The definition was in the link provided:

A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race. The term "Spanish origin" can be used in addition to "Hispanic or Latino".

Is their any other example (none / 0) (#40)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 12:17:05 PM EST

in the history of man where a similar definition was used to define an ethnic group?

Could it just be a modern political contrivance attempting to lump disparate nationalities as if they shared political interest?

BTW the Moorish Filipino tribesman does not beholden to Spanish culture - nor does the the Peruvian Indians


So, you got bored with trying to (5.00 / 3) (#42)
by Anne on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 03:20:10 PM EST

figure out how many angels could dance on the head of a pin vis-à-vis Zimmerman, and now you want to do the same thing on whether "Hispanic" is or isn't an ethnicity?

Jeezus...this is that important to you? It somehow matters because you don't want "Hispanic" voters to be designated as the fastest-growing voting demographic? Is it that they tend to be brown, or that they're probably illegal, or what?

Between your fly-specking the meaning of "Hispanic, " your comment that Obama is supposed to be faithfully "executioning" the laws - what, like killing them? is that a Bush-ism? - and your conservative cha-cha around the Bush/Cheney legal end-arounds that you have the vapors over a Democratic president doing, I'm forced to conclude that you are doing an excellent job of living up to pretty much every stereotype there is about the right-wing.

Congratulations.


Is this a personal attack? (1.00 / 1) (#44)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 03:55:53 PM EST

Or are you just biased against the populations of North America, Australia, India, Singapore (...) who, through no fault of their own were born as Anglonics?


: Ooh, ooh, me, me, I wanna answer (5.00 / 3) (#49)
by NYShooter on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 06:15:31 PM EST

Not only is Anne "biased against the populations of North America, Australia, India, [and] Singapore," but I have personally been witness to her shameless bombardment of pejoratives (so vile they're worth of inclusion in the next Monty Python movie) against the peace loving, and only occasionally cannibalistic, people of sub-Sahara, Cameroon.
I know, I couldn't believe it either.....at first,...until.......I heard her whispering to a dinner companion, "is the rib cartilage taken? I just luuuv that crunchy sound they make."
Thank you, lousy1, in my book you're not just lousy one, but lousy2, 3, 4......................infinity.

Couldn't find an example (none / 0) (#43)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 03:44:44 PM EST

could you?


What to do with all that (5.00 / 2) (#46)
by Anne on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 05:23:25 PM EST

extra zucchini:

Slice into 1/4" "planks," brush with garlic-infused olive oil and grill; sprinkle with fleur de sel, cracked black pepper and fresh Parmesan.

Slice zucchini into julienned strips, add to sauteed onion and garlic, throw in a couple handsful of grape tomatoes, some cut-up ripe tomatoes, fresh-chopped basil and parsley. Add some cooked pasta, salt and pepper and fresh Parmesan.

Sustitute zucchini for lasagne noodles.

Fry bacon til crisp; in the bacon fat, saute chopped onion and garlic til translucent. Cook sliced zucchini til crisp-tender, set aside. Slice fresh tomatoes. Grate Parmesan and/or cheddar. In a greased pan, layer - until you run out of ingredients - zucchini, onion/garlic, tomato, bacon and cheese, ending with cheese. Pop into a 350 degree oven and bake til cheese is melted and it's hot all the way through.

Happy eating!


Love it! (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by Zorba on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 06:03:14 PM EST

And I know exactly where you're coming from, although the poster to whom you are replying may not. ;-)

Great recipes, too!


: I knew you would get it, Zorba, and (5.00 / 3) (#51)
by Anne on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:11:36 PM EST

I did it for exactly the reason you think.
I figured that if lousy1 was going to be non-responsive and keep changing the subject, I could, too - and I daresay that people might get more use from my comment than from his/hers.

Yum (none / 0) (#54)
by sj on Sat Jul 07, 2012 at 12:40:55 AM EST

I like your response much better than mine. And I understand it perfectly.


Who cares? (none / 0) (#45)
by sj on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 03:58:04 PM EST

It's a bullsh!t question. Devised to support your existing notions.

Tell me, lousy, have you stopped beating your wife?


Its a fair question (none / 0) (#48)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 06:09:36 PM EST

AFAIK defining a language as a ethnic group has only been done once. If I remember correctly the movement started with Cesar Chavez and movement to unionize / improve the life of migrant harvesters circa 1970. The conditions were appalling. Good facts, bad vocabulary

I dislike Orwellian word games.


And yet...you gave us "executioning," (5.00 / 2) (#50)
by Anne on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:04:13 PM EST

as Orwellian - or is it Freudian? - a word as I've seen in a while.

Oh, and I didn't know "Hispanic" was a language...I'm familiar with Spanish - but do kids now take Hispanic I and Hispanic II in school?


: Sounds like (none / 0) (#52)
by lousy1 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 07:15:12 PM EST

my typo -not the first not the last.
However I doubt my posts here will drive the countries lexicon.

It is only a fair question in terms (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by sj on Sat Jul 07, 2012 at 12:38:58 AM EST

of the extremely narrow parameters you have set. The parameters are bullsh!t. As if the Peruvian Indians were the only inhabitants of Peru. As if the Peruvian Indians never intermixed with Spanish conquerors. etc. etc.

You may dislike "Orwellian word games" but apparently you really like your word games. You do love your parsing of the nits. Apparently that's a whole lot easier than seeing a larger picture.


Jeebus, a link was provided (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by sj on Fri Jul 06, 2012 at 10:05:02 AM EST

Your opinions are not the final word. They're just your freaking opinions.
