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ABC New Hampshire Republican Debate Open Thread

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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:18:58 PM EST
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    I think Romney seems the best (4.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:01:56 PM EST
    Which means he is losing with Republicans I imagine.

    oh goodness (none / 0) (#35)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST
    that;s funny too! :-O

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    I'm watching (none / 0) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:20:36 PM EST
    Nothing new that I am hearing.

    I hope you folks have something profound to say about it.

    I'd rather clean my kitchen then watch. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:35:42 PM EST
    eom

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    i'm going to take a shower (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:37:39 PM EST
    i might go out later, prolly not, more, it just seems more fun than watching this

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    seriously is this (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:25:32 PM EST
    what we are going to run against. even Kucinich could beat that.

    Republicans are at their most comfortable vilifying someone, weather it is these made up "islamofacists" or Mexicans, or gays, that is all they know how to do.

    Pretty awful (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:26:30 PM EST
    This is the worst group of candidates I've seen in a while.

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    facist (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:29:09 PM EST
    islamofacist demofacist millitant gayofacist mexicanofacist femofacist

    huckofacist
    mccainofacist
    romofacist

    ohh and 911

    wow thats the end of the debate

    ohh i forgot Ronald (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:39:14 PM EST
    Ronald Reagan how could I forget, I guess he is kinda like Poland.

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    wow (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:30:56 PM EST
    i just realized there is an audience(when they laughed AT them).

    not one applause line.

    I really have nothing to say about this debate (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:32:51 PM EST
    Sorry.

    i'm amazed (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:33:40 PM EST
    you are still awake

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    zzzzzzz (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:39:43 PM EST


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    It hasn't started here yet (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:35:08 PM EST
    It starts in Denver in 25 minutes...they didn't want to give up the local 5pm news I guess.

    if you are lucky (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:36:34 PM EST
    they will skip over the republican portion you are missing.

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    that is funny! (none / 0) (#12)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:37:02 PM EST
    I thought Denver was GOP HQ.  My nra member brother lives there.

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    Maybe Colorado Springs (none / 0) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:48:11 PM EST
    Denver is democrat country. It's the rest of the state that's misguided.

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    good to know (none / 0) (#24)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:55:46 PM EST
    he doesn't live in Denver actually - thanks for the correction.  

    Funny - he is actually more of a Democrat - except for guns.  Never hurt anyone and doesnt hunt but MUST have the right to be armed.  I have no idea were he gets it from.

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    He probably gets it from the second (none / 0) (#94)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 04:41:01 AM EST
    amendment.  I am sure the former leaders of germany and the USSR wonder why people complained when they were not allowed guns.  The right to self defense is the is the most basic of individual rights.  Definately not part of a collective.  Agree?

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    sorry, but I gotta say (none / 0) (#95)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    duh.

    I meant, where he got the overwhelming need to be armed.

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    it's (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:35:36 PM EST
    funny it's actually a debate in that they can debate each other, but everyone of them is so stale(except paul, but only on foriegn policy) it is just boring

    now the huck (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:40:01 PM EST
    is trying to get all Obama on us, falling flat though.

    that didn't work (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:41:29 PM EST
    so now he is trying to justify being a flip flopper?

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    Thompson is like someones grandpa (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:45:45 PM EST
    but not like yours who is interesting. Your friends grandpa who you just node your head and smile at, because you know since they are old they have to feel like they are saying something profound. In reality though they aren't saying much of anything.  He just makes me feel awkward. off to the shower.

    McCain looks ancient (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:49:31 PM EST
    (not tonight, since it's not on here yet, but in general.) Would make his VP running mate very important.

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    ESPECIALLY tonight (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:50:26 PM EST
    That is the one thing I noticed.

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    not using the (none / 0) (#26)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:56:21 PM EST
    Oprah camera then, eh?

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    Grandpa Fred (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:52:42 PM EST
    makes fun of RonPaul's "stop printing money" panacea.

    Ironic how he does not see how the GOP's "cut taxes" mantra is the same thing.

     

    It's streaming live (none / 0) (#23)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:53:30 PM EST
    here.

    Good, because now we can live blog the Democratic debate in a new thread!

    there goes the kitchen! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:58:27 PM EST
    gotta watch - thanks Jeralyn!!!!

    I have to be up early tomorrow, too.  You know I will have to watch the Demz now.

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    you have (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:02:06 PM EST
    far more stamina then i if you can do that!

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    Mitt can not brag about his actual achievement (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 06:55:51 PM EST
    the Massachusetts health plan.

    stop going after (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:01:14 PM EST
    big pharma
    the real problem is all those sick people that chose  not to have healthcare!

    Gotta love mit

    This is the only Republican debate I've seen (none / 0) (#29)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:01:49 PM EST
    what a horrible group of candidates.

    McCain might be winning simply by being almost silent.

    Heh (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:02:44 PM EST
    That was my reaction until Romney discussed health care.

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    Well, I'm having a hard time (none / 0) (#33)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:04:19 PM EST
    getting Neil's GOP Guide/Buffy villains post out of my mind and every time Romney comes on I keep expecting him to turn into a giant snake.

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    HEh (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:06:13 PM EST
    the Mayor. great Buffy season.

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    I can't even... (none / 0) (#52)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:25:52 PM EST
    ...look at Rudy! anymore after seeing that.  Like he wasn't scary enough already.

    Also, it looking more and more like Huckabigot is going to get the coveted Focus on the Family endorsement.  Dobson is racing to ride that wave of "fundimental populism".

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    I'm having problems (none / 0) (#60)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:31:11 PM EST
    looking at McCain too.  If they shaded the lights a little to yellow ...

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    mary - that's great (none / 0) (#34)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:04:41 PM EST
    what a funny comment. :-O

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    here it comes (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:06:00 PM EST
    lets talk about the mexicanofacists

    No I hate mexicans more (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:08:39 PM EST
    how dare you
    I hate them more!

    guys (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:09:38 PM EST
    don't you know how great that wall was in Berlin.

    mass deportation (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:12:43 PM EST
    or it's amnesty!
    romney and mcain fight (none / 0) (#41)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:14:19 PM EST
    over immigration. Good battle.

    except (none / 0) (#43)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:16:37 PM EST
    that it is white guys beating up on people who just want a better life.

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    my great grandmother came here (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:15:31 PM EST
    illegally, i guess i cut in line. seems like i should have to go to Mexico and get back in line. makes perfect sense to me.

    rudy cracked a joke (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:17:21 PM EST
    and everyone laughed.  About how Reagan gave amnesty and would have ended up in a Romney attack ad.

    Fred Thompson (none / 0) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:18:09 PM EST
    puts me to sleep.

    Loud Dobbs (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:18:34 PM EST
    is going to be SOOOO disappointed. ohh except he is going to love grandpa thompson.

    boy (none / 0) (#47)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:20:12 PM EST
    republicans new wedge issue sounds like a double edged sword.

    people shouldnt (none / 0) (#48)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:22:02 PM EST
    live in fear and run from police cars, so they should leave so we don't have to do that to them?

    wow that is right up there, with Mits healthcare is the fault of sick people who chose not to buy healthcare.

    Ron Paul takes on Rudy's tamper proof (none / 0) (#49)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:23:36 PM EST
    id cards. He opposes it because it will mean id's for all of us. Good on him.

    pj o rourke (none / 0) (#50)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST
    is a commedian?

    Romney (none / 0) (#51)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:25:22 PM EST
    has the best presence, I agree with Big Tent.

    i think mccain does (none / 0) (#54)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:28:11 PM EST


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    grandpa (none / 0) (#53)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:27:28 PM EST
    wants to argue the constitution with a constitution lawyer.  he is a smart one

    McCain's joke (none / 0) (#55)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:28:45 PM EST
    was pretty nasty and pretty weak.

    The crowd did not like it.

    I think Romney looks the better for it.

    I think Romney beats him in this exchange.

    Romney also made (none / 0) (#57)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:00 PM EST
    a very practical rebuttal to McCain.  Not that Republicans may recognize that.

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    I think his rebuttal (none / 0) (#69)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:35:05 PM EST
    was quite good. I think he won the exchange.

    It was a pretty good electability argument.

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    i didnt get the joke (none / 0) (#58)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:45 PM EST
    you mean the change crack? did he mean cause the guy is a mormon?

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    A flip flopper (none / 0) (#70)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:35:40 PM EST


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    ooooh. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:37:56 PM EST
    actually that's clever - but I can see why no one liked it.

    thx

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    ouch (none / 0) (#56)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:29:07 PM EST
    Mit just boasted Obama's candidacy.

    Giuliani on Obama (none / 0) (#59)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:47 PM EST
    he's never lead a city or a business. We don't want  to give a President on the job training. He's not experenced from either a national security or an executive position.

    so every (none / 0) (#61)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:31:55 PM EST
    republican (except mit) wants to mirror Hillarys campaign.

    I think it should tell you something every republican looks at democrats to learn how to run their campaigns.

    Huckabee says Obama brings (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:32:16 PM EST
    vertical leadership. What does that mean?

    there was a hillarious (none / 0) (#65)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:33:45 PM EST
    clip of a politician on the Simpson's saying what Huck says.  i think it was on TPM

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    Apparently (none / 0) (#67)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:34:25 PM EST
    vertical is a good thing with evangelicals.  It means your relationship with god.  Horizontal is your relationship with other people.  At least that's what Kevin Drum says.

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    Dogwhistle (none / 0) (#72)
    by manys on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:37:04 PM EST
    It's sekret code for putting Jesus in the White House.

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    ron paul (none / 0) (#63)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:32:47 PM EST
    just pseudo endorsed Barack. not smart, doesn't this is an open primary, his supporters can vote for Barack.

    Ron Paul (none / 0) (#64)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:33:01 PM EST
    says his supporters used to be Obama supporters.

    except that he doesnt beleive in taxes (none / 0) (#68)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:34:45 PM EST
    last time i checked, young people weren't concerned with taxes.

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    the republican attack on Obama (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:34:14 PM EST
    two of them said it so far, he wants to make us a welfare state.  Funny.

    The generic attack (none / 0) (#71)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:36:26 PM EST


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    that sounds like the line they pulled on (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:37:59 PM EST
    schip, and all the polls found even if people believed that, they preferred it to our current scenario.

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    what time is this nightmare due to end? (none / 0) (#75)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:39:14 PM EST
    cripes...what useless gibberish

    Almost over (none / 0) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:41:41 PM EST
    But at the end of the Repubs, they will bring out the dems so both groups have to do a meet and greet. Should be funny.

    New thread coming.

    thx for the heads up (none / 0) (#80)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:44:57 PM EST
    that meet and greet was a ga...seeing who ignored whom and who looked like they wanted to make out...

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    WOW guys (none / 0) (#77)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:42:12 PM EST
    I don't think i could have made it through this without you. thanks for the commentary!

    I give it to Romney (none / 0) (#78)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:44:28 PM EST
    based on the second half.  

    new thread (none / 0) (#79)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:44:54 PM EST
    here

    Agreed, I give it to Romney too (none / 0) (#81)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:49:38 PM EST
    but the spin room doesn't agree.  Rudy totally lacked charisma. Fred and John McCain belonged in a pinochle game.

    The spin room? (none / 0) (#82)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:53:22 PM EST
    Well, they are spinning no?

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    that's what ABC is calling (none / 0) (#87)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:02:43 PM EST
    the room where the pundits are giving reactions.

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    Josh Marshall (none / 0) (#85)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:55:28 PM EST
    panned Romney - said he was smacked around too much.  Jos and I are both East Coasters so that may ne why we both thought he came off kinda weak.

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    McCain (none / 0) (#83)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:54:09 PM EST
    was way too nasty.  i don't understand why he did that.

    using a sneer (none / 0) (#86)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:56:44 PM EST
    to bring the guy down.

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    poll (none / 0) (#84)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:55:17 PM EST
    says they want to hear economy, plays to Romney, so i agree with your guys Romney won.

    Blink - Edwards (none / 0) (#88)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:48:02 PM EST
    Why does Edwards blink so much...I can't believe someone who can't make a point without blinking 300 times....

    maybe the lights were too bright (none / 0) (#91)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:01:04 PM EST
    over him. I hate when the camera light is too bright and right in my eyes. Maybe he wears contact lenses and the lights trigger blinking. I don't think he does it all the time.

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    Do the Math (none / 0) (#89)
    by willic on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:23:32 PM EST
    We lost 3,000 souls on 9/11 and 4,000 soldiers and counting in Iraq since the 9/11 attacks.  We gained 500 criminals in Quantanamo, Cuba.  Let's see 7,000 souls lost, 500 criminals gained and billions of dollars spent but no Bin Laden. If this were a Vegas casino, I would say Bin Laden is way ahead of the house. Who do we thank for this return on investment? Which democrat or republican can address this inequity in favor of Bin Laden? Why?  

    only a handful (none / 0) (#90)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 10:58:46 PM EST
    of those at Guantanamo have been charged with a crime. Your comment is not well taken.

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    Immigration (none / 0) (#92)
    by BRS on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:08:22 PM EST
    The word immigration wasn't even mentioned in the democrats debate. I can't believe that the media and the candidates want to postpone trying to do something about it until 2009! This issue is tearing up our countries and many families. I know the republican right wingers in congress took a radical stand to give the democrats a free ride on this but it's no excuse for the dems to totally turn their backs on it. It's downright partisan and cowardly!

    Immigration (none / 0) (#93)
    by BRS on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:23:09 PM EST
    oops hit wrong key


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